test or test and eq - MESO-Rx

path2greatness · #1 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 12:36 AM

I am trying to plan my first cycle and Im debating between test enan 500/wk or 300 test and 300 eq a week. The reason is from what I read it sounds like my gains would be a little less but leaner with the second option also it sounds like it would cut the risk of my two biggest fears at least a little bit: gyno and hairloss. Any opinions? I will have nolva and liquidex on hand for sure and I plan to get some nizoral and some spiro cream as well. By the way does anyone know a place where you can buy the spiro cream already made or do I have to crush the tabs?

role model · #2 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by path2greatness

I am trying to plan my first cycle and Im debating between test enan 500/wk or 300 test and 300 eq a week. The reason is from what I read it sounds like my gains would be a little less but leaner with the second option also it sounds like it would cut the risk of my two biggest fears at least a little bit: gyno and hairloss. Any opinions? I will have nolva and liquidex on hand for sure and I plan to get some nizoral and some spiro cream as well. By the way does anyone know a place where you can buy the spiro cream already made or do I have to crush the tabs?

I agree that the second option would be leaner and everything else you said.

LT710 · #3 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 01:22 AM

Based on not knowing anything about you (current stats at the least, and goals as the second factor), I would recommend:

500 mg test
400 mg eq (it's been said that you will not see results below 400 mg)

Your first cycle is your most important, and it's important to do it right. 300 mgs of test will do more harm than good in your case.

Gyno will not be an issue, unless you're extremely prone...but I like to use a little liquidex just to be on the safe side. Hairloss is a totally unique thing...I'm balding/thinning/whatever you want to call it...have been since my mid 20's (I'm 35 now), but that wasn't the result of any supplements/steroids...

hope this helps

path2greatness · #4 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 03:43 AM

That definitely helps. I think I was thinking of the combination wrong, thinking that 500 and 400, being almost a gram of gear would be to strong for a first cycle. But i guess the combo is definitely not the same as running 900 mg of test.

wiz · #5 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 08:57 AM

i would up the test to 500 and run at least 400 eq.

Bosnian_Brawler · #6 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by path2greatness

I am trying to plan my first cycle and Im debating between test enan 500/wk or 300 test and 300 eq a week. The reason is from what I read it sounds like my gains would be a little less but leaner with the second option also it sounds like it would cut the risk of my two biggest fears at least a little bit: gyno and hairloss. Any opinions? I will have nolva and liquidex on hand for sure and I plan to get some nizoral and some spiro cream as well. By the way does anyone know a place where you can buy the spiro cream already made or do I have to crush the tabs?

If you really want lean gains that are easy to keep with less sides, than run EQ 400 mg/week and Test 300 mg/week...That way your sides will be minimal....300 test a week should not produce much, if any hairloss and because you run test with your EQ your libido should be fine too....Of course do not expect go get 20 lbs of lean muscle with this cycle....your gains will be rather in a range of 10lbs - 15lbs max....

enduranceAthlete · #7 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 11:06 AM

Don't be impacient.

Sometimes your dosages and the number of chemicals you introduce can outpace your ability to progress. It's more than you need. Your body can't utilize it.

I agree that it's likely a test/EQ cycle would work better and with roughly the same level of sides, but why risk it?

First time out, just run the test, nothing else. Keep the adex, nolva on hand. If you run two drugs at the same time and you have sides -- and you will have some -- you won't know which one is causing it and you'll be back to running a test-only cycle since a EQ-only cycle is not recommended.

I'd do 500mgs/test and leave it at that. My first time out I ran 250mgs/Sust250 and was amazed. For endurance purposes, this was perfect, but I didn't know that at the time. Second time out I ran 500mgs for the first half of the cycle and my bp was high and I was holding so much water (for a cyclist) that my cardio went to pot.

500mgs/week. For a body builder, you'll be happy with that cycle, I'd think.

path2greatness · #8 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 01:25 PM

It sure is tough to know whose advice to take. Its good to hear you are speaking from your own experience Endurance. Bosnian, have you ever ran such a test eq cycle? If so what did you experience? Im thinking that over the course of 12 weeks I could easily put on 10-15 lbs naturally, I say this because I have been cutting for a long time now, and my body Is most likely chomping at the bit to go up in weight. However the reason I wanted to bulk with the gear is that I had hoped the gains would be more muscle and less fat. Also I was wondering if it would help yall give me advice If I posted pics of my physique. I guess I would like some feedback, but Im not sure If I should post them here or somewhere else in the forum. Im going to vegas this weekend for work, and when I get back I might have to post some up.

LT710 · #9 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 02:15 PM

It is tough, and that's why there's boards like this...you can get alot of opinions, the majority of which are from people speaking from experience, and you can do your homework.

enduranceAthlete males a good point: stick to test only for your first cycle...and sust, or another blend (some of the new labs have their own custom blends) would be a good choice for a lean bulk since they have 2-4 different esters.

Personally I did straight TestE for my first cycle and didn't ge the results I wanted.
Second cycle was TestE and Eq, and I was quite happy.

Supply your stats (age, weight, etc), and post some pic, and we'll cut through some more of the choices.

Bosnian_Brawler · #10 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by path2greatness

It sure is tough to know whose advice to take. Its good to hear you are speaking from your own experience Endurance. Bosnian, have you ever ran such a test eq cycle? If so what did you experience? Im thinking that over the course of 12 weeks I could easily put on 10-15 lbs naturally, I say this because I have been cutting for a long time now, and my body Is most likely chomping at the bit to go up in weight. However the reason I wanted to bulk with the gear is that I had hoped the gains would be more muscle and less fat. Also I was wondering if it would help yall give me advice If I posted pics of my physique. I guess I would like some feedback, but Im not sure If I should post them here or somewhere else in the forum. Im going to vegas this weekend for work, and when I get back I might have to post some up.

I am about to start my cycle...(waiting for nolva to arrive) I will be running 250mg Test E, 400mg EQ / week and 40mg Anavar ED...If you can put 10-15lbs naturally, I don't see a reason to run a cycle....How much you think you will gain with your 12 week cycle with Test and EQ? If you are very lucky you will be able to keep 20 lbs, so why not just gain 15 lbs naturally????