Test or Test / Winny

[litterbox]

Hey,

So either a 12 week test e at 500mg per week

OR

12 week test e at 500 mg per week +
Week 3-12 50mg stanozolol ED

This is a first cycle but I'd really like to gain just lean mass, but lots of it. I'd like to keep my BF either at the same % or lower it a few %'s and put on 20 quality pounds.

[mannyfresh]

I'm in the same situation. I'm taking test cyp, 500mg a week, for 10 weeks. I have 2 bottles of Stanolozol, 10ml of 100mg/ml each bottle. I think I'm going to just use one bottle and take 50mg every day starting week 10.

I can tell you right now everyone on here is going to tell you not to take Winstrol. They're going to tell you how it's going to destroy your joints. Nobody ever has anything good to say about Winstrol. I had 3 friends who took Winstrol only, at only 75mg shots 3 times a week. One guy started 6'3" 205 and 13% body fat. He took Winstrol for 5 weeks and was 213 9.5% bofy fat. He currently plays in the minor leagues and is doing fairly well. No joint problems. The other 2 looked noticeably more cut and had no joint problems.

I wouldn't worry about the joint problems from 1 cycle. I'm certainly not going to. I'd be more concerned with having to shoot yourself everyday.

Check your PM.

[unt0ld]

Damn I swear newbies LOVE winny.

Why is this stuff still so popular!?!?!

I know winny was the first aas I tried. I guess winny has good marketing or something. lol

[djones473]

I wouldn't use the winny for that long. Ive heard it pretty good to start taking it 3 weeks before you stop the test and continue it for 6 weeks. This way you get a little more hard and lean and it helps you keep some of your test gains. 9 weeks is probably not too healthy for taking winny because of the liver damage and other side effects.

[EPOWER]

For your first cycle i would stick to test e only. You will be happy with it, save your winny for your second cycle. I really dont know how much the winny will give you with what your goal is.The test is going to put that mass on you but the winny is going to prevent that alil. At least go test only for the first 6weeks and see what you think at that point. The test will really start to kick in around weeks 4-6. What do you have for your pct?

[gixxerboy]

Originally Posted by EPOWER

For your first cycle i would stick to test e only. You will be happy with it, save your winny for your second cycle. I really dont know how much the winny will give you with what your goal is.The test is going to put that mass on you but the winny is going to prevent that alil. At least go test only for the first 6weeks and see what you think at that point. The test will really start to kick in around weeks 4-6. What do you have for your pct?

What are you talking about. Winny is going to prevent the test from putting on mass?

Litterbox what are your stats. You want to put on 20lbs of lean muscle and drop bf. Not sure if those are resonable expectations from at 10 week cycle.

[litterbox]

Hey guys,

First off I do apologize for the newbish threads I've made lately. I have been researching all over the net but of course I come up with mixed research, I"m sure you all know the drill as you all have been there.

Anyway. My stats are as follows: right now i'm wrapping up my latest cut. I'm down to 195lbs, 6'1 and 13% BF. My year end goal (by december 2006) is 210lbs, sub 10%bf. So I'm thinking this will take two cycles, right?

My first cycle will be test e only for 12 weeks at 500mg per week, bi weekly injections.

My second cycle is still not set in stone just yet but I'm thinking Test P, EQ and Winny. Another 12 week cycle but the structure hasn't been setup yet.

My pct for my first cycle will include 500iu HCG (i want to try it, so I'm starting with the minimal dosage even though it's not really necessary for test e cycle only), clomid and nolvadex.

So, do you think my goals are attainable by the end of this year? (+15lbs and decrease BF by 4-5%?) I think they are. Any advice you guys can give me is greatly appreciated. I hopte to one day be a knowledgeable, experienced member of this board.

Thanks,

-box

[gixxerboy]

Originally Posted by litterbox

So, do you think my goals are attainable by the end of this year? (+15lbs and decrease BF by 4-5%?) I think they are. Any advice you guys can give me is greatly appreciated. I hopte to one day be a knowledgeable, experienced member of this board.

Thanks,

-box

yes. i thought you were trying to do all that in one 10 week cycle. your diet is going to be key not your cycle.

[ForemanRules]

Winny is excrement