the problem with underground labs--

[taser]

its not so much that what you are getting is'nt juice,its whether what you are getting is what the label says. the problem is that alot of the products provided by these labs actually work so everyone assumes their para or primo is real. what heppens is that most times this is nothing more than testosterone and most users don't realize are can differentiate because they are putting on size. i agree that some of the more reputable labs are legit but another problem arises: if the lable says 300mgs,is it 300,gs,400mgs,200mgs ? nobody really knows and thats a problem . that said,it is better than nothing. luckily i only use test for replacement therapy at small dosages. the problem is trying to get 100mgs out of something that is 325mgs per mil like the morning star enanthate. i have a friend that is using para and he says its real because he put on alot of size; who's to say its not just 400mgs of test,how the hell will he know? as i said,i guess its all about perception. he thinks its real and he's happy so i would never spoil it by bringing any doubt to his mind.

[HDH]

If you can't find a source that you can trust, pay the high Pharma prices

HDH

[Jonesy]

With a little experience, you'll know if you're taking test or primo/anavar. For the roids that have very similar gains/sides, I agree with you. But I'm so familiar with bloat, the effects on sex drive, acne, the sense of well being, it would be hard to inject something labeled deca and not know it's really test; chew a tab of something that's supposed to be anavar and not know it's dbol; etc.

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by taser

its not so much that what you are getting is'nt juice,its whether what you are getting is what the label says. the problem is that alot of the products provided by these labs actually work so everyone assumes their para or primo is real. what heppens is that most times this is nothing more than testosterone and most users don't realize are can differentiate because they are putting on size. i agree that some of the more reputable labs are legit but another problem arises: if the lable says 300mgs,is it 300,gs,400mgs,200mgs ? nobody really knows and thats a problem . that said,it is better than nothing. luckily i only use test for replacement therapy at small dosages. the problem is trying to get 100mgs out of something that is 325mgs per mil like the morning star enanthate. i have a friend that is using para and he says its real because he put on alot of size; who's to say its not just 400mgs of test,how the hell will he know? as i said,i guess its all about perception. he thinks its real and he's happy so i would never spoil it by bringing any doubt to his mind.

That's a mighty broad statement from someone who only uses a little Test at replacement dosages.

The problem with your reasoning is you seem to forget that anyone can at anytime send a sample to San Rafael Chemical Services, one of the better know testing labs, and for between $100-$200, find out exactly what is in their vial and at what strength.

And this is done all the time. Test results are routinely posted on other boards. I would venture to say any UGL caught subbing test for primo would be out of business within a week.

So rather than saying something like what you posited happens a lot... I would say something like what you're saying happens almost never. I'm not saying it never happens or couldn't happen, but it is the rare, and stupid short timer who tries it. The prices UGL's charge take the higher powder costs of Primo and Tren into consideration. For people who know, you'll see the various products generally cost roughly 4x whatever it would cost you to make it yourself. They make their same percentage profit off primo as they do test... so there's no reason to cheat someone today, only to be out of business tomorrow.

Best regards,
MaxRep

[dennis]

Originally Posted by MaxRep

That's a mighty broad statement from someone who only uses a little Test at replacement dosages.

The problem with your reasoning is you seem to forget that anyone can at anytime send a sample to San Rafael Chemical Services, one of the better know testing labs, and for between $100-$200, find out exactly what is in their vial and at what strength.

And this is done all the time. Test results are routinely posted on other boards. I would venture to say any UGL caught subbing test for primo would be out of business within a week.

So rather than saying something like what you posited happens a lot... I would say something like what you're saying happens almost never. I'm not saying it never happens or couldn't happen, but it is the rare, and stupid short timer who tries it. The prices UGL's charge take the higher powder costs of Primo and Tren into consideration. For people who know, you'll see the various products generally cost roughly 4x whatever it would cost you to make it yourself. They make their same percentage profit off primo as they do test... so there's no reason to cheat someone today, only to be out of business tomorrow.

Best regards,
MaxRep

Yes..I agree with max..BUT>>BEWARE OF THE RESELLER who sends you bottles of oil with 0 traces of aas !

[iluvdeadlifts]

Originally Posted by dennis

Yes..I agree with max..BUT>>BEWARE OF THE RESELLER who sends you bottles of oil with 0 traces of aas !

[taser]

max,
i used to use much much more back in the day. i am older and replacement is just fine for me.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by dennis

Yes..I agree with max..BUT>>BEWARE OF THE RESELLER who sends you bottles of oil with 0 traces of aas !

Not really resellers. People that make their own labels and send you PMs

Resellers would mean someone making labels of an existing lab and sending you oil. I've never heard of that outside of pharma or vet gear.

HDH

[dennis]

Originally Posted by HDH

Not really resellers. People that make their own labels and send you PMs

Resellers would mean someone making labels of an existing lab and sending you oil. I've never heard of that outside of pharma or vet gear.

HDH

Yes and those guys do not mind getting caught from time to time..they just reopen the next day with new name.

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by dennis

Yes and those guys do not mind getting caught from time to time..they just reopen the next day with new name.

I think a person would be foolish to use someone like that. You either deal directly with the operation making the product, know their reputation for quality and service, or you are just a guppie in a sea of sharks.

Best regards,
MaxRep

[novicebb]

I agree with Max Rep all the way. Really made good points.
Yes you do have to be careful with whom you purchase your UG gear from as some will dilute, mislabel or other wise just scam you. Sometimes even reputable UGL have issues with their suppliers and their contacts are ripping them. Instead of giving them Oxandrolone they are giving them 1,4androstenedione or something like that.

But I think the vast majority of reputable UGL label their products correctly, are correctly dosed and in a lot of cases slightly overdosed and contains what it says is in it.

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by MaxRep

That's a mighty broad statement from someone who only uses a little Test at replacement dosages.

The problem with your reasoning is you seem to forget that anyone can at anytime send a sample to San Rafael Chemical Services, one of the better know testing labs, and for between $100-$200, find out exactly what is in their vial and at what strength.

And this is done all the time. Test results are routinely posted on other boards. I would venture to say any UGL caught subbing test for primo would be out of business within a week.

So rather than saying something like what you posited happens a lot... I would say something like what you're saying happens almost never. I'm not saying it never happens or couldn't happen, but it is the rare, and stupid short timer who tries it. The prices UGL's charge take the higher powder costs of Primo and Tren into consideration. For people who know, you'll see the various products generally cost roughly 4x whatever it would cost you to make it yourself. They make their same percentage profit off primo as they do test... so there's no reason to cheat someone today, only to be out of business tomorrow.

Best regards,
MaxRep

Hey Max let me ask you something. With the lab that you mention, do you think it is cheaper for them to test AAS in powdered form or in the finished ml form?

[HDH]

It's probably going to be the same for powder or oil.

HDH

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by novicebb

Hey Max let me ask you something. With the lab that you mention, do you think it is cheaper for them to test AAS in powdered form or in the finished ml form?

That's a good question. The last information I had from them was they needed a minimum of one gram of product in either solid or liquid form, and the price was the same.

Here's the last contact info I had for them if you need something tested.

San Rafael Chemical Services
srcslab@xmission.com
(801) 277-8228

Best regards,
MaxRep

[novicebb]

Appreciate the email address. I will be contacting them now.