Thinking about first cycle...want your opinions

[wolfman010]

Hello,
I would like to start gathering all the information possible to allow me to decide whether I want to do my first cycle or not. I figured you guys could help me with my choice. If I choose to do it, it will not be for a few more months. I am 5'10 around 172lbs but plan on bulking up considerably this winter to around 185-190. Right now I would guess I'm approx. 11-12% bf. My ideal cycle would be one that didn't bloat me up like crazy, something that would give lean, dry gains in solid muscle. Safety is obviously very important. What are some beginner(easy) cycles that would give me these kind of results? Diet and training would be spot on.

Thank you and I look forward to talking with you all

[jasthace]

Have you read Phrezzers first cycle faqs sticky?

You say you're not sure weather you want to do a cycle or not.
What are your long term goals,how many years do you plan on BB or PL?
What are your thoughts on ruining your ability to product maximum testosterone and blunting your libido,perhaps at the expense of a future relationship.

You should considered and weigh up the fact that you may put on some muscle now but it will be only temporary,and will dissipate after the discontinuation of AAS {if thats what you are considering using}and may leave you with the above mentioned permanent side effect.

Other than that you need to be careful with the abuse of your liver and if you have any family history of cholesterol problems,high blood pressure and heart problems these will need to be kept a close eye on.

[robyflexx]

Originally Posted by wolfman010

Hello,
I would like to start gathering all the information possible to allow me to decide whether I want to do my first cycle or not. I figured you guys could help me with my choice. If I choose to do it, it will not be for a few more months. I am 5'10 around 172lbs but plan on bulking up considerably this winter to around 185-190. Right now I would guess I'm approx. 11-12% bf. My ideal cycle would be one that didn't bloat me up like crazy, something that would give lean, dry gains in solid muscle. Safety is obviously very important. What are some beginner(easy) cycles that would give me these kind of results? Diet and training would be spot on.

Thank you and I look forward to talking with you all

Lean and dry gains
12 weeks EQ
7 TO 8 weeks tbol
4 to 5 weeks nolva pct starting 2nd to 3rd week of last injection

[wolfman010]

My thoughts on ruining my body's abiity to produce its own testosterone...well of course I do not like the thought of that. I am in a relationship now and will want to have kids in probably eight or so years. That's why I want to do the safest cycle possible. If I implement proper PCT, what are the chances that I will damage my natural test production when I come off the cycle?

I plan on continuing to run AAS down the road, and I plan on working out for as long as I possibly can. I couldn't imagine myself without the weight room. I am aware that I could lose the gains I make, but that is why I want slow and steady gains, they are easier to keep with proper diet and training.

[robyflexx]

The cycle I outlined is based precisely on slow and steady gains, which are easy to keep. Unless you are abusing ungodly amounts of anabolics for many years you'll be fine. Just keep it moderate and follow good pct protocols. You can achieve amazing results with relatively low doses if you train hard and eat correctly.

[wolfman010]

Robyflexx...what are your thoughts about Anavar as a first cycle? It doesn't suppress your HTPA as much as a lot of others and it does not aromatize. It would be an easier first cycle without having to mess with the needles and what not. Also, it's not as bad on the liver as other orals.

[robyflexx]

Originally Posted by wolfman010

Robyflexx...what are your thoughts about Anavar as a first cycle? It doesn't suppress your HTPA as much as a lot of others and it does not aromatize. It would be an easier first cycle without having to mess with the needles and what not. Also, it's not as bad on the liver as other orals.

The problem with a var only cycle is that the gains aren't worth the investment in MIO. Now adding in a low aromatizing injectable would make a world of difference. Your gonna have to deal with injectables regardless wolfman and trust me you want to see drastic changes on your first cycle, this gets you fired up!! P.S. you could also opt for primo tabs as they are not toxic at all

[wolfman010]

robyflexx...what are some low aromatizing injectables? winny?

[robyflexx]

Originally Posted by wolfman010

robyflexx...what are some low aromatizing injectables? winny?

Equipoise has always been one of my all time favorites. This product is so versatile... works for lean mass, cutting, and bulking! It increases the appetite making it easy to get the extra calories and increase red blood cell production for cardio, and great strenght increase as well, also makes you appear vascular. EQ is cheap as hell also. Primobolan and winny and when it comes to test the test prop aromatizes the least. P.S. Trenbolone any ester but too harsh for beginners.

[wolfman010]

Is it necessary to run test while on Equipoise? Also, what effect would the T bol have in the cycle you described above?

[wolfman010]

I am thinking this:

12 weeks Equipoise with Sustain Alpha (to keep natty test functioning as best as possible)

PCT : the Nolvadex regimen you described

would there be a need for something like a-dex in the pct? or clomid? what about a cortisol inhibitor and keep the sustain running?

[robyflexx]

Originally Posted by wolfman010

Is it necessary to run test while on Equipoise? Also, what effect would the T bol have in the cycle you described above?

No I've run many successful cycles without test but test prop wouldn't hurt. Tbol in my experience will give you lean dry gains and good strength, also give you a kick start as injectables take a while to sink in. Note tbol can IMO be a good substitute for winny in that it doesn't have that pesky cramping problem that winny is infamous for. Andysutils has a journal here of his experience with a tbol only cycle of 8 weeks 6lbs solid lean mass and easy to keep, not bad.

[wolfman010]

What do you think about this cycle:

Test Enanthate 10 weeks 400mg/week
A-dex - .5mg 10 weeks

PCT:
A-dex -.25mg for 2 weeks, then .25mg EOD
Clomid - 200, 100, 50, 25, 25
cortisol inhibitor
sustain alpha

??

[robyflexx]

Originally Posted by wolfman010

What do you think about this cycle:

Test Enanthate 10 weeks 400mg/week
A-dex - .5mg 10 weeks

PCT:
A-dex -.25mg for 2 weeks, then .25mg EOD
Clomid - 200, 100, 50, 25, 25
cortisol inhibitor
sustain alpha

??

This is a very popular beginners cycle and a good one too, I would go 500 on the test. Pct looks good although I prefer nolva

[wolfman010]

What would you dose the nolva at and for how long? Thanks for your responses by the way