Thoughts on this cycle?

[Count Porkula]

Hi guys. Been a while since I've been here. I'm planning a spring cycle and thinking of something like this. If anyone has any insights, I'd love to hear them.

AAS Cycle:
week1: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, 100 micg clen ED
week2: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, 100 micg clen ED
week3: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid as needed
week4: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid
week5: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, Clomid
week6: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, Clomid
week7: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week8: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week9: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week10: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week11: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week12: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week13: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid
week14: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid
week15: 900 mg andropen, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid
week16: 900 mg andropen, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid

PCT:
week19: 5000 i.u. HCG, 20 mg Nolvadex ED
week20: 5000 i.u. HCG, 20 mg Nolvadex ED
week21: 2500 i.u. HCG, 20 mg Nolvadex ED
week22: 2500 i.u. HCG, 20 mg Nolvadex ED

I'm 38, 6' tall, about 250 lbs., 17% B.F. (I know, I know.....). This about my 9th cycle. I'm bracketing the cycle with clen not to get shredded, but to trim down moderately (as much as one can on such a mass cycle). I might substitute the 'drol for 50 micg of d-bol. Any opinions?

Thank you for taking the time to help me.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by Count Porkula

I'm 38, 6' tall, about 250 lbs., 17% B.F. (I know, I know.....). This about my 9th cycle. I'm bracketing the cycle with clen not to get shredded, but to trim down moderately (as much as one can on such a mass cycle). I might substitute the 'drol for 50 micg of d-bol. Any opinions?

Thank you for taking the time to help me.

That's not gonna do too much. You need 1000 times that amount LOL I wouldn't take 100mg of drol' but people do. I try to save my insides, your 50mg sounds better.

[HDH]

I don't understand the clen being run for the first 4 weeks and then again on weeks 13 and 14. (just curious)

Why have you chosen clomid over nolva or an AI during the cycle, if you need it? (nolva or an AI would be better if gyno symptoms occur, It is a lengthy cycle)

Your PCT seems to be off. The Deca will have you shut down for a good three weeks after the last shot. So 3 weeks of PCT with 20 mg of nolva won't be enough. With a 16 week cycle, you might need more time to recover. Not to mention the HCG will keep you shut down and you plan
to run it during the whole PCT

I would also go 50mg of D-bol for the first 6 weeks.

HDH

[Count Porkula]

Thanks guys. I was also a little leery of running 100 mg drol. I haven't used anadrol before so I was going to give it a try b/c I didn't feel like I got much from my last cycle using 50 mg. daily d-bol. But I like my insides the way they are so maybe I'll stick w/ the dbol.

As for the clen, I goofed in my original cycle posting. I'm only going to be using it for the last 4 weeks of the cycle b/c I don't want to add any additional strain onto my already over-worked liver while I'm taking d-bol. I'd edit my original post but I don't seem to be able to. Sorry for the mistake.

I'm using clomid to manage gyno as William Llewelyn's (sp?) book alluded to several studies that showed that clomid was actually more effective as an anti-estrogen than nolva during the AAS cycle and that nolva was more effective for PCT, contrary to conventional wisdom. Any thoughts on this? And I'll add another 3 weeks of nolva after stopping the HCG. Good catch. Thanks!

I really appreciate you guys taking the time to review this and offer your input. Thank you.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Count Porkula

Hi guys. Been a while since I've been here. I'm planning a spring cycle and thinking of something like this. If anyone has any insights, I'd love to hear them.

AAS Cycle:
week1: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, 100 micg clen ED
week2: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, 100 micg clen ED
week3: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid as needed
week4: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid
week5: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, Clomid
week6: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 mg 'drol ED, Clomid
week7: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week8: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week9: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week10: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week11: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week12: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, Clomid
week13: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid
week14: 400 mg deca, 900 mg andropen, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid
week15: 900 mg andropen, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid
week16: 900 mg andropen, 100 micg clen ED, Clomid

PCT:
week19: 5000 i.u. HCG, 20 mg Nolvadex ED
week20: 5000 i.u. HCG, 20 mg Nolvadex ED
week21: 2500 i.u. HCG, 20 mg Nolvadex ED
week22: 2500 i.u. HCG, 20 mg Nolvadex ED

I'm 38, 6' tall, about 250 lbs., 17% B.F. (I know, I know.....). This about my 9th cycle. I'm bracketing the cycle with clen not to get shredded, but to trim down moderately (as much as one can on such a mass cycle). I might substitute the 'drol for 50 micg of d-bol. Any opinions?

Thank you for taking the time to help me.

900 mgs andropen is alot of test bro.....do you really need this much test ?
forget buying clomid......get adex instead for during cycle.
use your hcg at 750 ius ew starting about week 8 and run it through week 18.
week 18 .5 start off with 40 mgs nolva for the first few days then go to 20 mgs for 5-6 weeks.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by Count Porkula

Thanks guys. I was also a little leery of running 100 mg drol. I haven't used anadrol before so I was going to give it a try b/c I didn't feel like I got much from my last cycle using 50 mg. daily d-bol. But I like my insides the way they are so maybe I'll stick w/ the dbol.

As for the clen, I goofed in my original cycle posting. I'm only going to be using it for the last 4 weeks of the cycle b/c I don't want to add any additional strain onto my already over-worked liver while I'm taking d-bol. I'd edit my original post but I don't seem to be able to. Sorry for the mistake.

I'm using clomid to manage gyno as William Llewelyn's (sp?) book alluded to several studies that showed that clomid was actually more effective as an anti-estrogen than nolva during the AAS cycle and that nolva was more effective for PCT, contrary to conventional wisdom. Any thoughts on this? And I'll add another 3 weeks of nolva after stopping the HCG. Good catch. Thanks!

I really appreciate you guys taking the time to review this and offer your input. Thank you.

iF YOU WANT AN AI USE LETRO IF YOU NEED IT. AND CLOMID IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE AS NOLVA IT HAS BEEN IN MORE STUDIES THAN IN ANABOLICS 2000 WHATEVER/

[HDH]

Originally Posted by Count Porkula

Thanks guys. I was also a little leery of running 100 mg drol. I haven't used anadrol before so I was going to give it a try b/c I didn't feel like I got much from my last cycle using 50 mg. daily d-bol. But I like my insides the way they are so maybe I'll stick w/ the dbol.

As for the clen, I goofed in my original cycle posting. I'm only going to be using it for the last 4 weeks of the cycle b/c I don't want to add any additional strain onto my already over-worked liver while I'm taking d-bol. I'd edit my original post but I don't seem to be able to. Sorry for the mistake.

I'm using clomid to manage gyno as William Llewelyn's (sp?) book alluded to several studies that showed that clomid was actually more effective as an anti-estrogen than nolva during the AAS cycle and that nolva was more effective for PCT, contrary to conventional wisdom. Any thoughts on this? And I'll add another 3 weeks of nolva after stopping the HCG. Good catch. Thanks!

I really appreciate you guys taking the time to review this and offer your input. Thank you.

Still a little off on the PCT. You will need a min of 6 weeks with that cycle. I think the Andropen has the decanoate ester. If it does you will not be able th start PCT until 3 weeks after last shot of that. So you will have to move the HCG up to weeks 16-17-18-19 and then start 6 weeks of nolva (min) after that.