Tren + Sust for a cutter?

[hailtopitt]

what's up fella's, just some questions about tren and cutting. this will be my second cycle, the first was a bulker i ran last year with great results, took a few months off from the AS, ran a real short cycle of DNP with some OK results about a month ago, and now i'm looking to put some strength back on, but still lean up a lot. from what i've been reading, Tren sounds like the way to go, but i'm always reading about using some Test as a base. since it's suggested to use tren for no more than 4 weeks, i was thinking of running the Sust at 250-500/week for 8 weeks, with the Tren at about 30mg EOD either the first 4 weeks or the last 4 weeks of the cycle...is this a good idea or a stupid idea...if its good, where should i run it, first or last? i've also got some winny i was gonna use towards the end of the cycle, maybe the last 4 weeks or so.
I've also got some Deca laying around, but like i said, i'm mostly lookign to lean up a little bit, so i don't think it'll help any.
i've got the sust, tren, deca, winny, and some dbols if that helps with any suggestions.
some stats, i'm 6'3" about 250, probably about 12-14%BF - i can't get rid of my damn love handles.
Also, for you guys with Tren experience...how prominent are the mood changes/aggression levels...this is my only worry about the drug, my job allows NO amount of aggression or anger.
Thanks for your help guys

[shortz]

Weeks 1-8 test 500mg (sust E3D)
Weeks 6-12 tren 75mg EOD

This will be fine. 30mg of tren EOD is a bit low. Tren can produce great results, but at a dose that low, it will be hard to see with the test on board.

[hailtopitt]

the only reason for the low dose is the fear of increased aggression. am i better to add the sust, or just run the tren and winny alone?

[hailtopitt]

also, it was a toss up between the tren and EQ, but can they both be run together? perhaps run the EQ the full 8 weeks with the sust, and then run the tren and winny for the last 4-6???

[micro]

I have told alot of guys that have never ran tren to do the first 2wks at 50mg EOD and then jump to 100mg EOD, if you have Tren that is 100mg/ml. The reason is that doing 50mg is a good dose to start at and see how it effects you. Tren is some really strong gear and you just dont want to jump into it. Especially since you never ran it before. If you want to 30mg EOD for awk or so and see how it feels. But I would bump it up more after that.

[Captain Planet]

Yes, Tren and EQ can be run together. The tren needs to be shot ED if it is an acetate (which I assume it is, corrrect me if I am wrong).

[spound]

i agree on the tren needing to be taken every day this will also help to keep your test levels from spiking which will make you less likely to have aggression temperment changes, and if you run the EQ, I don't think it would be worth it really unless you ran it for at least 10 weeks

[hailtopitt]

thanks fella's. and yes, the tren is acetate. so then bumping the tren to every day sounds like a good idea...but i kind of wanted to keep the doses low, at least for this cycle until i see how bad the sides will be from the tren...but should i expect to see any results if run it between 30 and 50mg ED? if not, then obviously i'm going to bump it.
Thanks

[atlas]

1-8 500mg of EQ
1-8 100mg EOD
8-12 tren75mg/test susp 100mg ED.

i am stronger and more ripped than i have ever been. i very pleased with this tren/susp stack.

[spound]

Yes you will be able to get gains from 50mg ED especially since it is your first time taking it. I'm not sure about 30mg though, i guess you could try it out