Tren/test or Eq/test?

[alphaguy]

I am back. I have spent a week reading almost every post in here. I have done so much reading my eyes hurt. Anywho, I don't think I know as much as you guys but I must persist with my questions I asked in a previous thread. This is important to me so here it goes:

I want to gain 10-15 lbs of muscle mass and remain as cut as I am now if not more.
Deacon suggested a Test/Eq cycle (10 weeks) followed by Nolva
I am asking why not a tren/test cycle followed by Nolvadex?
I know tren is stronger but why should I not choose it. It would seem to give me better results. No one was particularly forthcoming with side effects of either cycle (sweating on tren doesn't sound all that bad).
Remember I am 37 yo, 5 11, 182 lbs, (yes Premier I know i am human stick lol)I lift and eat well but not a bb obviously. I did a 4 week Deca only cycle 17 months ago (I know I know...) but nothing else. I look at this as one cycle NOT to be followed by another for a long long time. I like my physique but I am ready for that extra something.

[solo47]

Tren is stronger, though it's more known for building strength & density than size. EQ, really, is a cutter too, but not as effective (so my reading tells me). Why not do both?

Solo

[MANWHORE]

Here is what i think and what i would do .. I wouldn't use EQ for size or cuts but i would use it for increasing collagen .. Since you just got back on after some time and you probably won't stay on for more than 10 weeks,you shouldn't need to worry about that ... SO NOW i say use some Test Suspension with Tren A if you don't mind ED shots. .. with some Nolva and maybe another Anti A or E .. Other than Nolva i can't think of anything else off the top of my head for ancillaries for during right now. You will probably get the 15 solid lbs from the Test alone but you will love the Tren .. AND the reason i would use such short acting is because summer will be here soon and even spring some wear short sleeves

[Deacon]

I suggest EQ since you are new to the game - tren would be better after you have a few cycles under your belt - I think most VET's would agree with this logic - however do what you want

EQ works well for gaining lean mass that is easily retainable post cycle - it has few sides at low doses and is easy to recover from - all good reasons for the newbie to cut his teeth on a EQ/test cycle for a first stack or two

tren also promotes lean mass but it also has more sides and is harder to control for the uneducated user - plus recovery can be harder for some on tren

so there you go - some will say just use tren - but I think anyone with time in the game will understand why I suggest EQ/test before I suggest test/tren

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by MANWHORE

Here is what i think and what i would do .. I wouldn't use EQ for size or cuts but i would use it for increasing collagen .. Since you just got back on after some time and you probably won't stay on for more than 10 weeks,you shouldn't need to worry about that ... SO NOW i say use some Test Suspension with Tren A if you don't mind ED shots. .. with some Nolva and maybe another Anti A or E .. Other than Nolva i can't think of anything else off the top of my head for ancillaries for during right now. You will probably get the 15 solid lbs from the Test alone but you will love the Tren .. AND the reason i would use such short acting is because summer will be here soon and even spring some wear short sleeves

for his second cycle bro? I dont agree

[drj]

What would a 10 week cycle using tren,test, and mast with a good PCT cost?

[solo47]

Originally Posted by drj

What would a 10 week cycle using tren,test, and mast with a good PCT cost?

I've been looking in this & similar cycles & one thing is clear: It would cost plenty.

Like I've been considering getting a new iMac 20" with Intel chip, costing me about $2k here in Canada. But I've been weighing that against getting into another round of AAS in mid-May using many of the fine products you mention above (including HCG twice, & Nolvadex, & Clomid at the end for PCT), & I'm figuring the total cost, with shipping, will be very damned close to what that iMac would cost me!

Not sure what my choice will be. Wouldn't mind a quick summer scooter either.

Well, you fills your syringe & you pays the piper.

Solo

[drj]

Thanks for the great help

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by Deacon

for his second cycle bro? I dont agree

I think Tren is fine for a beginner to use but just lower doses of course. Now i know the Veteran AAS user would like to have the newbee believe Tren should only be used by the more advanced,but that just isn't so .. Now the dose has to be adjusted but that should go without saying ... So we have some time and can get away with some longer acting gear ... How about some Tren E and Test E? 400 Test 200 Tren ... AND That is only because the Tren is so strong and sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with the 2-1 ratio of Test to others ...

[solo47]

Originally Posted by drj

Thanks for the great help

Think I was inadvertently exaggerating, drj. Was referring to the most obvious sorts of shopping. A careful shopper with good contacts will spend half the amount I mentioned. More like a single k than 2k.

Sorry if I scared you off.

Solo

[alphaguy]

You guys are amazing what can I say. I think I am starting to enjoy these messages almost as the anticipation of the cycle...
Now I think I am going to go with Manwhore on this. His recommendation seems to me more in line with what I want to accomplish. At 5 11 and 185 lbs (I gained 3-4 lbs in the last two weeks with more food and NO xplode) I want to gain 10 lbs of muscle but I am afraid that anything other than tren (Finaplix) will get me bloated. I have a physique I like and a defined goal which is different than most people's in here. In short I want to maintain and even increase the definition I already have.
Definitely not looking fwd to shoot EOD bit I will get over it.
Manwhore:I was told by some1 to drop the test from my cycle and only do tren because the the test will get me bloated. Any truth to this? I could always use the test Cyp my doctor prescribed along with the Fina and if I see bloating (which somehow I doubt) then I can continue with tren only.
One more thing: I dont care about the sweating part or the other sides like increased libido (tha's a good side :-) but how about hair loss and shrinkage? Am I right to assume that this one cycle won't do much harm?

[j martini]

Personally i think trying to gain 10 pounds of muscle in a short time frame while staying as lean as you are now is impossible.

Its pretty simple really in order to gain muscle you have to be in a calorie surplus this will also add a little Bodyfat, thats just the way it is.

[BRICK]

Definitely DO NOT drop the Test. You need this! It should be the base of all cycles.

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by alphaguy

Manwhore:I was told by some1 to drop the test from my cycle and only do tren because the the test will get me bloated.

sounds like something i would say ... I doubt very much that you will get bloat while using Tren with the Test and Deacon will probably say deffinitley not with Mast in there ..

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by BRICK

Definitely DO NOT drop the Test. You need this! It should be the base of all cycles.

Still trying to figure out why people say this