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My ankles are pretty swolen and my shoes are tight on me. I have jsut started my 3rd week on cycle running 250 mg of Sustanon every other day along with 500 mg of Deca. Is this anything potentially dangerous? SHould I stop the cycle? I feel like i have cramps when I walk on the treadmill for some reason, guess due to the water retention. I can actually push my ankels and leave an indent
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Make sure you're not taking in too much sodium and increase your water intake. You're body's holding water which is not uncommon but start drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water/day and it should dissipate fairly quickly, within a day or two. Drinking that much water, make sure you're taking mineral supplements, especially potassium.

I wouldn't take any diuretics as that's treating the symptom and not the cause.

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P.S. when you say "500mg of deca"... I'm guessing that's per week and not EOD along with your sust shots. If the 500/week is correct, your deca is fine, your sust is a little on the high side but as long as you're experienced, that too is fine. If you're not experienced, 875mg/week is too much and I'd drop down to closer to 500mg/week, which along with 500mg/week of deca should give great results.
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Make sure you're not taking in too much sodium and increase your water intake. You're body's holding water which is not uncommon but start drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water/day and it should dissipate fairly quickly, within a day or two. Drinking that much water, make sure you're taking mineral supplements, especially potassium.

I wouldn't take any diuretics as that's treating the symptom and not the cause.

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P.S. when you say "500mg of deca"... I'm guessing that's per week and not EOD along with your sust shots. If the 500/week is correct, your deca is fine, your sust is a little on the high side but as long as you're experienced, that too is fine. If you're not experienced, 875mg/week is too much and I'd drop down to closer to 500mg/week, which along with 500mg/week of deca should give great results.
I do drink 2 gallons of water per day routinely. As far as the doseage, i am trying to keep even blood levels. I am unsure whether I should just stop alltogether or continue. I read that the edema can be related to bp problems and renal failure which is scaring me.
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A good questions is are you taking any anti-estrogens?
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I do drink 2 gallons of water per day routinely. As far as the doseage, i am trying to keep even blood levels. I am unsure whether I should just stop alltogether or continue. I read that the edema can be related to bp problems and renal failure which is scaring me.
It's not true that Sust needs to be shot EOD. Real world experience from numerous people all say the same thing. Sust 2x/wee works just great. The 4 esters combined give a real world experience similar to a single ester product like Enanthate or Cypionate.

The way you're talking is like someone with very limited experience. I highly suggest you lower your dosage.

It shouldn't be that big a deal to go into a clinic almost anywhere and get your BP measured. If your arms are roughly 17-17.5 or less, you can go into many pharmacy type stores like Rite-aid and they have BP measuring stations.

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A good questions is are you taking any anti-estrogens?
I would also ask, are you using arimidex? Or any other anti E. And as Maxrep said 875 to 1000mg of sust a week is alot if your not that experienced.
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Went to ER. There was no clot form the ultra Sound they performed. My bp was 137/77. I also had eleveated whtie blood count at 10.4 and 10.3 is normal. I was thinking of running .5 mg of liquidex eod but do not want to hinder my gains. Is this good to still maximize gains or should i just quit the cycle now?
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Went to ER. There was no clot form the ultra Sound they performed. My bp was 137/77. I also had eleveated whtie blood count at 10.4 and 10.3 is normal. I was thinking of running .5 mg of liquidex eod but do not want to hinder my gains. Is this good to still maximize gains or should i just quit the cycle now?
Why would you quit the cycle now? Your BP is fine, your white blood cell count is fine, you're thinking of quiting because...?

Also, what's this about .5mg of an AI EOD hindering your gains. What that does is stop or actually reduce the formation of estrogen. Will your gains be hindered, probably not at that dose but even in the most extreme case of it affecting your muscle growth, do you really care if instead of gaining 12 pounds you only gain 10?

No offense but you're starting to sound like you're looking for a reason to stop the cycle. If you want to stop, that's perfectly fine, just stop, wait a few weeks and start your pct.

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Why would you quit the cycle now? Your BP is fine, your white blood cell count is fine, you're thinking of quiting because...?

Also, what's this about .5mg of an AI EOD hindering your gains. What that does is stop or actually reduce the formation of estrogen. Will your gains be hindered, probably not at that dose but even in the most extreme case of it affecting your muscle growth, do you really care if instead of gaining 12 pounds you only gain 10?

No offense but you're starting to sound like you're looking for a reason to stop the cycle. If you want to stop, that's perfectly fine, just stop, wait a few weeks and start your pct.

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No bro, definitly not stopping. I just wanted someone with experience's opinion. As far as the AI hindering gains, I have read 50 million posts about estrogen being essential for muscle growth and Ai's hrut gains. I am not saying this is true, i just want to clarify whether it is or not.
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No bro, definitly not stopping. I just wanted someone with experience's opinion. As far as the AI hindering gains, I have read 50 million posts about estrogen being essential for muscle growth and Ai's hrut gains. I am not saying this is true, i just want to clarify whether it is or not.
Estrogen is important but it's all a matter of degree. You're talking about a low dose of an AI and estrogen will still be produced so your gains will still be significant. Especially if you're not yet at the advanced level, you probably won't even notice a difference as far as muscle gains. Strength gains will be unhindered.

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