What about this cycle?

[crom]

Test. Cypionate : 200mg once a week, for about 8-10 weeks.

HCG : 250I.U 2 times once a week during the cycle.

Propecia(finasteride): to prevent hairloss and some minoxidil to that.

novaldex/clomid: to prevent gyno. maybe extra novaldex or clomid after the cycle to recover better.

??? : Something to prevent to much water retention ( so I dont get an extreme pluffy face) Tips needed :P

what to you say about that. I am thinking of taking something else to the test. for maximal effect any suggestions?

Shall I also take HCG after the cycle when I have taken it during it?

[freak]

If it's your first cycle run it 10 wks at 400mgs/ wk since it's cyp and probably dosed evenly at 200 mgs a cc.
Hit the inj. on mon.'s and thurs's each week.
On your 5th week and 10 wk hit 250 to 500 iu's of hcg on wed's and fri's. Taking your hcg a few days a part from each other in low doses keeps your body from shock when introducing it, and gives you some time to work with and use it. As you become more tolerant to gear you'll be able to increase the intervals and dosages.

I usually recommend 500mgs/wk for starters when running test-e or cyp. But I don't know how much you have to work with.

You could start off with the nolva at 10mgs EOD or ED. And if you feel nipple pain increase the nolva. Many peeps take nolva at different intervals and dosages. Some don't take it at all, everybody is different.

[jocko]

I agree with freak up the dose to 400mg. 200mg wont yield much

[crom]

thx for the tips bro. I think that i can work with around 400mgs/wk if I skip buying deca or something else to it. The HCG and the rest I still shoot of course.

[crom]

About the HCG, I read in this thread How to use HCG...
( how to use HCG) that a Dr.Swales recommended his AAS patiens to take 250-500 IU hcg right from the beginning. What du you guys think about that.

[Griffin]

It sounds like price is your limiting factor, if it is you could look into homebrewing, it is a fraction of the cost of brand name or even uglab prices.

[crom]

Originally Posted by Griffin

It sounds like price is your limiting factor, if it is you could look into homebrewing, it is a fraction of the cost of brand name or even uglab prices.

so test.cyp alone isnt enough? what do you suggest for supplement?

[chris gordon]

test by itself is fine, he was merely saying that since finances seem to be your problem, you should look into homebrewing, cause you can get enough test to last 2 years for $100

[Griffin]

I think test alone is a great starter cycle but I would run it at 500-600mg a week for about 10 weeks, you could also through in some dbol at 30mg ed for the first 5 weeks.

[chris gordon]

love dbol...but my back hates it.

[hardcore210]

I agree w/the others. Run the test at 400mg (200mg twice a week). If you're looking to keep bloat off, add in some arimidex at .25mg/day....you may need to bump it up to .5mg/day, but .25mg/day should suffice the relatively low dose of test. I wouldn't worry about the HCG during the cycle. Some guys do it, but I've never found it necessary (except on cycles of 16+ weeks...even then, I only use about 500iu every 4 weeks). I'd save the HCG, run it at 500iu/day for 10 days post-cycle, along with 100mg of clomid/day for 4 weeks.

[crom]

I think I`ll do it something like this.

dbol: 30mg each day w 1-4
Test.cyp: 400mg(twice a week) all weeks (10 weeks)
Arimdex: 0.25-0.5mg/day
Nolva: 10mg each other day

PCT

Here Im not really sure but i was thinking either one of these three

1.
HCG: 250-500 I.U 2 times a week during the cycle.
Two weeks after the last Test shoot: Clomid 100mgs day 1-2, 50mgs day 3-30. (more hcg?)

2.
One or two weeks after last shoot: HCG 500I.U eatchday week 1-2 along with 50mgs clomid each day.Then 50mgs clomid each day week 3-4.

3. Like freak mentioned: hit 250-500 I.U HCG two times week 5 during the cycle and on week 10. Then start with clomid 1 week after for 4 weeks.

What do you say guys, how would you lay up the PCT?