What can I do?

[slick33158]

So now that my health issues are out there and the fact that i'm comparable to a 70 year old man internally, What compounds would be acceptable for me, based on my blood pressure issues? I guess tren is out of the question, I couldnt wait to run a test/tren cycle next but I dont think it would be a good idea for me based on these last couple weeks, tren would be sure to put me in the grave. I dont know, I want to run a good cutter after this. Maybe test prop/masteron or primo/ var/ tbol? What are a few compuonds that have minimal effect on you cardiovascularly?

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by slick33158

So now that my health issues are out there and the fact that i'm comparable to a 70 year old man internally, What compounds would be acceptable for me, based on my blood pressure issues? I guess tren is out of the question, I couldnt wait to run a test/tren cycle next but I dont think it would be a good idea for me based on these last couple weeks, tren would be sure to put me in the grave. I dont know, I want to run a good cutter after this. Maybe test prop/masteron or primo/ var/ tbol? What are a few compuonds that have minimal effect on you cardiovascularly?

I think you should be done doing steroids until you get that bp consistantly under 130 sys. for you. Once that happens I would try to really get to the grind stone on weening off of methadone. Your combinations are not good, and I don't want to see you end up in the hospital. Sometimes being patient will get you a lot farther in life. Get your health right, then consider getting back into it. Just looking out

[slick33158]

Good advice. It may be a LONG time though, my history isnt one of alot of success when it comes to that subject. The problem is, While on this methadone, which I will be for a while as the plans are right now, It toally kills my test and upps my est. so working out on the stuff is really hard. I'm obviously not going to give up working out. I do have a SLOW weaning plan in the works though with the 'done, It would take about 6 months to be pain free though. THere's a new compound on the market that's not nearly as strong called suboxone but your tolerance has to be down to 30mgs/day of methadone before making the switch. Lots safer and less sides.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by slick33158

Good advice. It may be a LONG time though, my history isnt one of alot of success when it comes to that subject. The problem is, While on this methadone, which I will be for a while as the plans are right now, It toally kills my test and upps my est. so working out on the stuff is really hard. I'm obviously not going to give up working out. I do have a SLOW weaning plan in the works though with the 'done, It would take about 6 months to be pain free though. THere's a new compound on the market that's not nearly as strong called suboxone but your tolerance has to be down to 30mgs/day of methadone before making the switch. Lots safer and less sides.

Yes I know suboxone. Well all I can say is try and try when you say you are, the sooner you taper down, the better off you will be. You are going to have complications on aas and high methadone doses. Good luck.

[advanced-stealth]

Good advice.

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

I think you should be done doing steroids until you get that bp consistantly under 130 sys. for you. Once that happens I would try to really get to the grind stone on weening off of methadone. Your combinations are not good, and I don't want to see you end up in the hospital. Sometimes being patient will get you a lot farther in life. Get your health right, then consider getting back into it. Just looking out

[Orangejuicer]

Methadone is so godd amn bad for you. It's too bad there's no other synthetic they can make for high daily dosage. I wonder if that coma program ever took off where they put you in a chemical coma for 6 months then ween you off suboxone or subutex. Seems pretty smart to me. If you don't mind sleeping for 6 months.

[role model]

Originally Posted by slick33158

Good advice. It may be a LONG time though, my history isnt one of alot of success when it comes to that subject. The problem is, While on this methadone, which I will be for a while as the plans are right now, It toally kills my test and upps my est. so working out on the stuff is really hard. I'm obviously not going to give up working out. I do have a SLOW weaning plan in the works though with the 'done, It would take about 6 months to be pain free though. THere's a new compound on the market that's not nearly as strong called suboxone but your tolerance has to be down to 30mgs/day of methadone before making the switch. Lots safer and less sides.

I must ask why you are on methadone in the 1st place? When I broke 2 vertebra in my back they put me on OxyContin's then put me on Methadone to come off. But the fact of the matter is, Methadone's withdrawals are worse than Oxycontin because its oil based instead of water based like the oxy's, So methadone is a 4-5 times longer withdrawal than the oxy.
What I did was switch back to the oxys for about 6-8 weeks trying to wean which is a slow Torcher type system they have setup. I finally had enough of the torcher and flew to a opiate detox clinic in Detroit which puts you to sleep, they inject something that neutralizes opiates and you go threw a weeks worth of withdrawals in an hr while you are sleeping (the hardest part). Then they give you some meds for the next week or two to ease the rest of the process. It costs about $6000. but well worth it if you ever experienced opiate withdrawal which is the worst feeling on earth.
There success is 4 times higher coming off oxy's than methadone because of the length of time it stays in your system. I did it and topped out at 240mg of oxy's a day. Now I been oxy free for 9 years.

P>S> I woulden't recommend anything more than a low dose Test cycle.

[slick33158]

Originally Posted by role model

I must ask why you are on methadone in the 1st place? When I broke 2 vertebra in my back they put me on OxyContin's then put me on Methadone to come off. But the fact of the matter is, Methadone's withdrawals are worse than Oxycontin because its oil based instead of water based like the oxy's, So methadone is a 4-5 times longer withdrawal than the oxy.
What I did was switch back to the oxys for about 6-8 weeks trying to wean which is a slow Torcher type system they have setup. I finally had enough of the torcher and flew to a opiate detox clinic in Detroit which puts you to sleep, they inject something that neutralizes opiates and you go threw a weeks worth of withdrawals in an hr while you are sleeping (the hardest part). Then they give you some meds for the next week or two to ease the rest of the process. It costs about $6000. but well worth it if you ever experienced opiate withdrawal which is the worst feeling on earth.
There success is 4 times higher coming off oxy's than methadone because of the length of time it stays in your system. I did it and topped out at 240mg of oxy's a day. Now I been oxy free for 9 years.

P>S> I woulden't recommend anything more than a low dose Test cycle.

Yeah, methadone is some potent stuff and I agree, the withdrawl from it is harder and longer than any other opiate including heroin. It's got 24 hour half life and so the withdrawl is also prolonged. Maybe I'll look into that rapid detox deal, I just want to get my tolerance down enough to make the switch to suboxone. It's only a partial opiate and has a ceiling effect. Studies show that it has little effect on hormone levels too. I dont think I can go totally AAS free for now though. I'm thinking of getting some test prop, so if sides get bad I can adjust quickly, and stack it with masteron and anavar. I think I should be able to handle that stack with my BP and stuff. Thank you for the concern and advice though. It really isnt worth sacrificing my health for, after all, thats really the whole goal of using AAS in the first place.

[role model]

Originally Posted by slick33158

Yeah, methadone is some potent stuff and I agree, the withdrawl from it is harder and longer than any other opiate including heroin. It's got 24 hour half life and so the withdrawl is also prolonged. Maybe I'll look into that rapid detox deal, I just want to get my tolerance down enough to make the switch to suboxone. It's only a partial opiate and has a ceiling effect. Studies show that it has little effect on hormone levels too. I dont think I can go totally AAS free for now though. I'm thinking of getting some test prop, so if sides get bad I can adjust quickly, and stack it with masteron and anavar. I think I should be able to handle that stack with my BP and stuff. Thank you for the concern and advice though. It really isnt worth sacrificing my health for, after all, thats really the whole goal of using AAS in the first place.

Unlike morphine, hydromorphone, heroin or oxycodone, methadone has an extended terminal half-life, up to 36 hours. This half-life does not match the observed duration of the others(6-12 hours) after steady state is reached. This long half-life can lead to increased risk for sedation, overdose and respiratory depression, especially in the elderly or with rapid dose adjustments. Rapid detox guidelines for other opioids do not apply to methadone because of the longer 1/2 life.

[slick33158]

Yeah, i know, i'd have to switch to a short acting opiate. Hydromorphone is what AI was hooked on and thus led me into methadone maintenance treatment. I was strung out on oxy's for a couple years too but the dilaudid was easy for me to get and alot cheaper, it's structurally very close to heroin. The problem is, there arent any doctors out there that sould legally let me switch to something like oxycodone, hydrocodone ect to get on a short opiate. plus at the dose of methadone I'm on, 140mgs daily, it would take about 350-500mgs of oxycodone/oxycontin per day just to keep me out of withdrawl. So I'm propbable stuck with a weaning plan. And because methadone's mean half-life is 24-36 hours, the dose decreases have to be done about every 2 weeks unlike with lortab/percocet/morphine/fentanyl/meperidine where you can decrease a couple times per week. With methadone it takes at least a week just for your blood levels to stablize after a dose adjustment. We'll see.

[role model]

Originally Posted by slick33158

Yeah, i know, i'd have to switch to a short acting opiate. Hydromorphone is what AI was hooked on and thus led me into methadone maintenance treatment. I was strung out on oxy's for a couple years too but the dilaudid was easy for me to get and alot cheaper, it's structurally very close to heroin. The problem is, there arent any doctors out there that sould legally let me switch to something like oxycodone, hydrocodone ect to get on a short opiate. plus at the dose of methadone I'm on, 140mgs daily, it would take about 350-500mgs of oxycodone/oxycontin per day just to keep me out of withdrawl. So I'm propbable stuck with a weaning plan. And because methadone's mean half-life is 24-36 hours, the dose decreases have to be done about every 2 weeks unlike with lortab/percocet/morphine/fentanyl/meperidine where you can decrease a couple times per week. With methadone it takes at least a week just for your blood levels to stablize after a dose adjustment. We'll see.

I tried the decreasing thing and was very very hard for me to do, and eventually couldn't stand it anymore and opted for rapid detox. It got to the point on the lower doses where I couldn't even hold down a job. I took a medical leave of absence. Rapid detox, by the way was much easier but still uncomfortable.

[slick33158]

Maybe, I can find a doc willing to make the switch for me, street prices are so ridiculous these days going that route would cost me $500/day plus that's what landed me in a little place called hell for two years in the first place. Its illegal for doctors to prescribe opiates for anything other than pain unless they have a special liscence such as a methadone clinic, and it would still be illegal to use anything other than methadone for the purpose of addiction because its the only thing approved by the FDA for that. I'll try to figure somnething out because I agree, weaning would get real hard once you really got down there in doses.

[BBC3]

You guys just touched one i have some interest in. I was wondering how narcotics and alcohol affect test. Where can I get some literature on that??

I was actually eating about 60 - 120mg hyfrocodone per week. NOW I understand that this is nothing to these other forms mentioned above. I ALSO understand the addictive properties, and that is not really an issure. I was taking about 6-10 tabs /wk. for joint pain. One of the reasons for AAS is the pain relief I should get. Anyway, so of course a couple of beers at night as well, and presto, no pain. but I am afraid that also converts to NO GAIN. I really believe that the codone was interfering with my test only cycle. I was really starting to feel the test on week three, when all of the sudden things slowed. It just so happened that I had also just had 2 bigger weeks on the codone, as of course, no front load, and no immediate action from the test. Can anyone point me to some docs and give me some feedback. I have a pretty good feeling that that stuff screws with your endocrine sys BAD. I mean think about it, you are putting your body to sleep with it. ITs got to be putting everything else to sleep too. Anyone??? By the way, I have not taken one for about 10 days and things are starting to progress again.....

[BBC3]

You guys just touched one i have some interest in. I was wondering how narcotics and alcohol affect test. Where can I get some literature on that??

I was actually eating about 60 - 120mg hyfrocodone per week. NOW I understand that this is nothing to these other forms mentioned above. I ALSO understand the addictive properties, and that is not really an issure. I was taking about 6-10 tabs /wk. for joint pain. One of the reasons for AAS is the pain relief I should get. Anyway, so of course a couple of beers at night as well, and presto, no pain. but I am afraid that also converts to NO GAIN. I really believe that the codone was interfering with my test only cycle. I was really starting to feel the test on week three, when all of the sudden things slowed. It just so happened that I had also just had 2 bigger weeks on the codone, as of course, no front load, and no immediate action from the test. Can anyone point me to some docs and give me some feedback. I have a pretty good feeling that that stuff screws with your endocrine sys BAD. I mean think about it, you are putting your body to sleep with it. ITs got to be putting everything else to sleep too. Anyone??? By the way, I have not taken one for about 10 days and things are starting to progress again.....

[BBC3]

You guys just touched one i have some interest in. I was wondering how narcotics and alcohol affect test. Where can I get some literature on that??

I was actually eating about 60 - 120mg hyfrocodone per week. NOW I understand that this is nothing to these other forms mentioned above. I ALSO understand the addictive properties, and that is not really an issure. I was taking about 6-10 tabs /wk. for joint pain. One of the reasons for AAS is the pain relief I should get. Anyway, so of course a couple of beers at night as well, and presto, no pain. but I am afraid that also converts to NO GAIN. I really believe that the codone was interfering with my test only cycle. I was really starting to feel the test on week three, when all of the sudden things slowed. It just so happened that I had also just had 2 bigger weeks on the codone, as of course, no front load, and no immediate action from the test. Can anyone point me to some docs and give me some feedback. I have a pretty good feeling that that stuff screws with your endocrine sys BAD. I mean think about it, you are putting your body to sleep with it. ITs got to be putting everything else to sleep too. Anyone??? By the way, I have not taken one for about 10 days and things are starting to progress again.....