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Old 05-07-2005, 01:58 AM
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Ok fellas, I have to admit I am an Arnold fan of his Bodybuilding days. Not the actor, person, whatever, i dont care about that...just the pure muscle mass that he had back then in the late 60s and 70s blew me away and got me pumpin iron in the beginning when i was 14 and scrawny and goin nowhere, he motivated me more than anything in my life.
Wanting to do everything he did, training like him, eating like him, and yes..obviously taking steroids like him i was on a quest for knowledge back then.
My question is what do you guys think he did as far as steroids. This question has been asked many times before in many different places i know, and I asked it over 10 years ago to Mike Mentzer in a phone consultation when I was a nieve wide eyed wannabe Arnold.
I know nobody will know "exactly" what the man did except the man himself, and maybe a few close friends, but seeing how almost every BB looked up to him in the Pumping Iron Days I would see how many would try and follow in his footsteps in everything he did as far as his daily regime of training, eating...and steroids.
I know some here have been in the BB scene far longer than me and some may have even trained back then in the 80's and before (Max Rep i know, please feel free to elaborate brother if your still around ).
What do you guys think built one of the greatest physiques of all time? Dianabol...Primo, what?
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I have read several different times that Arnold's favorite stack was D-Bol and Primo Acetate. I know the majority of younger guys would find this impossible to believe. The very first steroid to be taken by the early BB'ers was D-Bol. It was for many the only steroid taken. Injectables were unheard of in the late sixty's and early to mid seventy's.

The biggest problem with the great majority of today's steroid users is that they just can't understand the role great genetics play in creating a physique like Arnold's. Arnold had extraordinary genetics! Most guys want to believe that it's all about finding that perfect combination of drugs or just using huge quantities.

Arnold didn't suffer from gyno nor did he suffer from large amounts of water retention from the use of D-Bol. No one knew about Estrogen in the early years thus they didn't know about the need of anti-estrogens. Hell, these drugs weren't even available back then. I am 49 years old and did my first cycle (D-Bol only), in 1976, the year the movie "Pumping Iron" came out. I was introduced to D-Bol by Larry Pacifico, who at that time was the 7 time world power lifting champion. Larry was to powerlifting what Arnold was to bodybuilding. Because of Larry's world renound, he would have been privy to all the latest steroid knowledge of his time. D-Bol was the only steroid he ever talked about.

My guess would be that Arnold relied on D-Bol to get his large amount of lean body mass, and Primo Ace to maintain it while leaning out for the Olympia.

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I have read several different times that Arnold's favorite stack was D-Bol and Primo Acetate. I know the majority of younger guys would find this impossible to believe. The very first steroid to be taken by the early BB'ers was D-Bol. It was for many the only steroid taken. Injectables were unheard of in the late sixty's and early to mid seventy's.

The biggest problem with the great majority of today's steroid users is that they just can't understand the role great genetics play in creating a physique like Arnold's. Arnold had extraordinary genetics! Most guys want to believe that it's all about finding that perfect combination of drugs or just using huge quantities.

Arnold didn't suffer from gyno nor did he suffer from large amounts of water retention from the use of D-Bol. No one knew the about Estrogen in the early years thus they didn't know about the need of anti-estrogens. Hell, these drugs weren't even available back then. I am 49 years old and did my first cycle (D-Bol only), in 1976, the year the movie "Pumping Iron" came out. I was introduced to D-Bol by Larry Pacifico, who at that time was the 7 time world power lifting champion. Larry was to powerlifting what Arnold was to bodybuilding. Because of Larry's world renound, he would have been privy to all the latest steroid knowledge of his time. D-Bol was the only steroid he ever talked about.

My guess would be that Arnold relied on D-Bol to get his large amount of lean body mass, and Primo Ace to hold hit while leaning out for the Olympia.
Wow great info, it makes sense, anyone else have anything to add?
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Wow great info, it makes sense, anyone else have anything to add?
Yeah. What I dont get is why people are obsessed with trying to emulate what their favorite pro BBers do, eat or shoot. You could do everything exactly as Arnold did and still never look even close to him. Rather than trying to be someone else, why not be the best you can be? Sure, you can learn (sometimes) from pros, but their entire life is BBing and their genetics are at the top of the pyramid. None of that applies to average joes like us.
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Gear_Up is right. Arnold even admits on the re-release of Pumping Iron that he was taking D-Bol. No big deal, everyone took oral steriods. Back then AAS were not scheduled and doctors even gave them to women who needed a tonic to pick them up during the day.(much lower doses though). They used the old Taper off method to come off of them. Can you imagine doing this today?

Arnold, Zane, Sergio and Draper all had incredible genetics working in their favor. Also, these guys invented the diet and training we use today.
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The ol I'll do what you do and I'll be just like you.. sorry, it doesn't work that way. Like Bob said above... learn what you can.. learn how your body responds, and be the best that YOU can be... don't try to be exactly like someone else.. if you do, you'll just end up disappointed in the end...
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Awesome Gear Up, any idea on what was the way they took DBal back then in the offseason? And did they stack it with Deca and how much? Any insight is great bro.

As far as wanting to emulate exactly what Arnold did nowadays is over, and has been for a long time, not by giving up but just a little peace on my end knowing "Im not Arnold!" . I am somewhat happy with my gains i have made over the years of training, I have learned alot about my own body and need to learn alot more as its a daily battle. I got out of my nieve little shell a long time ago as far as the thinking of "if i did this like him, and that like him, i would look like that".
I understand what you guys are sayin here about the copycatting, and I should have made that a point in my first post. I have always just been interested in what they did back then, as there physiques looked better than todays crop, much better IMHO and it seemed to flourish throughout them all from Columbu, Draper, Padilla, Robinson, Ferrigno, Oliva, Waller, Grant, you name em..they all looked similar .
Columbu, hmmm......maybe ill give him a call as he does phone consultations now, hehe
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My mistake Bob, should have said IMHO. Rhetorically speaking of course.

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one thing to add is that most guys back then only used steroids prior to the contest not off season and certainly not year around - I think it is what gave them more of a quality look - they had good basic mass most of the year and only used juice to fine tune themselves

I am sure Arnold used only small amounts of d-bol when he used it - back then guys never got real crazy with dosages
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