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Old 02-10-2004, 12:31 PM
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why do i always break out on my face after i finish a cycle? but do not break out much at all while i am on a cycle. it only happens when i am off. does anybody have any idea why this happens.
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Old 02-10-2004, 03:21 PM
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why do i always break out on my face after i finish a cycle? but do not break out much at all while i am on a cycle. it only happens when i am off. does anybody have any idea why this happens.
might be because of your PCT.....clomid causes acne. Nolva is supposed to be just as good at much lower doses and doesnt cause acne. so clomid could be yer prob.
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Old 02-10-2004, 03:32 PM
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might be because of your PCT.....clomid causes acne. Nolva is supposed to be just as good at much lower doses and doesnt cause acne. so clomid could be yer prob.
Airborne said exactly what i was thinking too. Go with what Airborne said.
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Airborne said exactly what i was thinking too. Go with what Airborne said.

midwest huh? so you are stuck in the midst of corn/hogs/fat chicks too?! haha shit- sorry to hijack! peace
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why do i always break out on my face after i finish a cycle? but do not break out much at all while i am on a cycle. it only happens when i am off. does anybody have any idea why this happens.
IT IS ALSO THAT WHEN YOU GET OFF, YOUR BODY IS FLUCTUATING SO MUCH TO TRY TO START PRODUCING ITS OWN TEST, THAT UR HORMONES JUST POP OUT ZITS. CAUSE YOU DONT HAVE THEM WHEN YOUR ON RIGHT. JUST MAKE SURE YOUR PCT PROGRAM IS PERFECT.
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why do i always break out on my face after i finish a cycle? but do not break out much at all while i am on a cycle. it only happens when i am off. does anybody have any idea why this happens.
Same thing happens to me. I will say that when you're on cycle, your keeping your test levels consistent artificially. I'm pretty much acne free while on, but as soon as I come off and test levels start to drop off, my body is all f*cked up causing inconsistent levels, therefore causing the acne. That's the way I see it. Maybe someone more experienced has better insight.
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might be because of your PCT.....clomid causes acne. Nolva is supposed to be just as good at much lower doses and doesnt cause acne. so clomid could be yer prob.
i've read that clomid blocks estrogen like nolva but i've never heard that nolva acually stimulates natural test. is that really true?
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i've read that clomid blocks estrogen like nolva but i've never heard that nolva acually stimulates natural test. is that really true?

Yep...clomid and nolva are essentially the same drug. im not exactly sure of the specifics of the difference, but I remember reading a post somewhere on here about it. many guys choose nolva over clomid for PCT
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Post Cycle Therapy (PCT):

An anti-estrogen is needed upon the completion of your cycle for sure. With all that free floating estrogen you need to prevent the estrogen from attaching to your receptors and causing their damage. The wrath of estrogen in the aftermath of a cycle is referred to a back lashing of estrogen.

You also need something to help stimulate your HPTA. Something needs to be done about your own testosterone production to combat catabolism, to restore libido and avoid depression.

A very successful compound to stimulate the HPTA is Clomid. Clomid stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and LH (luteinizing hormone) occurs. This results in an elevated endogenous (body's own) testosterone level. Sorry I threw some mighty big words out there.

A good PCT combo is Nolvadex and Clomid. Nolvadex is an anti-estrogen.

What is explained above is what's called the estrogen backlash. This happens after a cycle and during post cycle therapy. Above is a quote taken from DocHoliday off AR. Credit for this info is his.
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Clomid also works as an anti-oestrogen. As it's a weak synthetic oestrogen, it binds to oestrogen receptors on cells blocking them to oestrogen in the blood. This minimises the negative effects like gynecomastia and water retention that may be a result of oestrogen that has aromatised from testosterone.

It's effect as an anti-oestrogen are quite weak though, and it should not be relied upon if you are going to be using androgenic steroids that aromatise at a rapid rate, or if you are pre-disposed to gynecomastia. Arimidex and Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) are far more effective anti-oestrogens.
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i've read that clomid blocks estrogen like nolva but i've never heard that nolva acually stimulates natural test. is that really true?
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after reading this thread i think i'm going to stay on the nolva and take it with the clomid.
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