What would you guys suggest for a good all oral cycle? - MESO-Rx

Big Zeus · #1 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 04:53 PM

I know that I'm going to have a lot of you guys raging me about an all oral cycle and I absolutely agree. The deal is that my buddy is very afraid of injecting and wants to stick with orals. I've talked to him about the downfalls and hazards of an all oral cycle, but he is undeterred and wants to go on with it. I want to him to get great results and the choices to pick from are Dbol, anavar, winstrol, and tren. I have never done an all oral cycle and don't care to either, but what would be the best 8 week cycle for him? It's his first cycle. I want to put him on Dbol for the first 5 weeks around 30mg per day and then drop in the winstrol at week 4-8 at about 50mg per day and then add anavar for weeks 6-8 at about 50mg per day. What do you guys think? Would he be better of using trenbolone acetate or trenbolone enanthate instead on one of these other drugs? Let me know what you guys think.

muslhed1971 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 05:14 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but I have never heard of oral tren enan or tren ace before?
I also do not recommend any type of oral only cycle. Explain to your friend that an oral only cycle is going to mess with his liver a lot more than say a injectable only cycle. I'm sure a lot of other guys will agree and try to convince him to try a test only cycle if it's his first cycle.

treeistheman2 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 05:46 PM

if your afraid of a needle, then dont get on any kind of gear! i am sorry but if this guy takes a oral only cycle if he has bad sides he we will some how blame someone else besides himself. i have seen it several times , if you are the one that gets it for him , it will be yours in his eyes. if you are not his source , explain the dangers in depth. then let him make the call. it just upsets me on how some guys are afraid of a needle. i mean come on if you cant get past the needle part , i dont think you need to do any kind of cycle. bro i am sorry to post a negative oppion this is in no way a flame. i have seen this before matter of fact i made the mistake myself with one of my friends, he got some very bad sides. and went around telling everybody bullshit and blamed me.

Big Zeus · #4 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by muslhed1971

Correct me if I am wrong but I have never heard of oral tren enan or tren ace before?
I also do not recommend any type of oral only cycle. Explain to your friend that an oral only cycle is going to mess with his liver a lot more than say a injectable only cycle. I'm sure a lot of other guys will agree and try to convince him to try a test only cycle if it's his first cycle.

Shit, What more else can I say? I thought that I made it clear that I have advised him that an oral cycle is not the way to go. He will not use needles PERIOD. I am looking for oral cycle advice only. Yes, tren acetate can be taken orally. Not sure about the tren enanthate.

lestatgear · #5 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 05:51 PM

I have to agree w/ these guys. If he can't inject himself, then he should get someone to do it for him. I was the same way at first and had a friend inject me. The only thing was, sometimes that person can't be around when you want a shot. After I started to feel and see the benefits, if I couldn't get someone to do it, I would force myself to do it to keep making the gains. Eventually I got used to it, and now it's nothing.

Big Zeus · #6 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Zeus

Shit, What more else can I say? I thought that I made it clear that I have advised him that an oral cycle is not the way to go. He will not use needles PERIOD. I am looking for oral cycle advice only. Yes, tren acetate can be taken orally. Not sure about the tren enanthate.

It's not like I'm not going to help the guy get past some of the side effects. There are things that can be taken and done to counter the sides such as lipoic acid, milk thistle extract, Liv-52, and of course drinking lots of water instead of lots of alcohol.

Endocrine_Supply · #7 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 06:27 PM

Id go for a D-bol, methenolone acetate combo if I could only choose from orals.

BTW, your buddy ever consider transdermals?

I had to chime in here. ;-] -ES

phatboy1 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 06:46 PM

Zues, why are "YOU" so scared of needles lol. bro someone posted a similar thread yesterday. dude just stay natural. you may not be ready yet. if you cant inject then you shouldnt juice. you cant get by on orals only. liver protectants can only do so much.

latinone · #9 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by phatboy1

Zues, why are "YOU" so scared of needles lol. bro someone posted a similar thread yesterday. dude just stay natural. you may not be ready yet. if you cant inject then you shouldnt juice. you cant get by on orals only. liver protectants can only do so much.

if he is afraid of the pin have him give endos transdermal test a try.

Big Zeus · #10 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by phatboy1

Zues, why are "YOU" so scared of needles lol. bro someone posted a similar thread yesterday. dude just stay natural. you may not be ready yet. if you cant inject then you shouldnt juice. you cant get by on orals only. liver protectants can only do so much.

Hey Phatass take your sarcastic marshmallow lovin ass somewhere else and quit wastin my time. I'm not as green as you think and am in fact trying to help a friend out. If your into flaming maybe you can make yourself useful and demonstrate for all of the newbies how you get shit shoved in your ass you freakin homo!!

P.E. · #11 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 07:14 PM

if he has the money and u know where to get them go wit oral primo....not cheap but works good....

borderbound · #12 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by latinone

if he is afraid of the pin have him give endos transdermal test a try.

i remember a guy at my gym about 3 years ago who was scared to death of needles but he had a legit problem he was one of those people that were severe bleeders i cant remember the name for it

any how he did transdermal test for 12 weeks
and winny weeks 1-4 and var weeks 8-12

his results were better than expected i think he gained about 14 pounds

phatboy1 · #13 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Zeus

Hey Phatass take your sarcastic marshmallow lovin ass somewhere else and quit wastin my time. I'm not as green as you think and am in fact trying to help a friend out. If your into flaming maybe you can make yourself useful and demonstrate for all of the newbies how you get shit shoved in your ass you freakin homo!!

lmfao. dude this is hillarious. i cant stop laughing. bro PHATBOY doesnt mean fat boy. get some urban friends bro. dude im not gonna comment on the physique thing. maybe i will. naw i dont need to brag. stop acting like a hoe. and bro you should grow up a little. have youre friend become a member i think he will learn alot for himself.

nj juice · #14 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 09:13 PM

umm, what would i suggest........hmmm, a new liver......lol

NDK · #15 (**permalink**) 10-13-2004, 09:29 PM

Dbol at 30 mg/ ed and var 20 mg/ed with transdermal hombrew tren. I have never tried transdermal test, but I would just add the tren and test in the same transdermal application. How long? That should depend on how he feels about his liver. Things like milk thistle help with liver enzyme values, but only slightly.

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