What would you take for theese goals....

[messdup]

Ok I would like to hear afew opinions on what others or I should take to acomplish theese goals. I am 5'9" at 175 I want to land at 180 ripped.
I Asume i would have to drop to 160 from 175 to get ripped and solid right now but that is way too small. I have a good frame but react poorly to roids. I am familiar with the common compounds and don't think they can help. test deca d-bol tren I will not use anymore. I am thinking winny, anavar,prima something along those lines. I know this post is vague and all over the place but that is the reason behind it I need some direction. I have read a few books and spent a few thousand so i am not new to roids but i am lost at this point.

[R. I. P.]

Originally Posted by messdup

Ok I would like to hear afew opinions on what others or I should take to acomplish theese goals. I am 5'9" at 175 I want to land at 180 ripped.
I Asume i would have to drop to 160 from 175 to get ripped and solid right now but that is way too small. I have a good frame but react poorly to roids. I am familiar with the common compounds and don't think they can help. test deca d-bol tren I will not use anymore. I am thinking winny, anavar,prima something along those lines. I know this post is vague and all over the place but that is the reason behind it I need some direction. I have read a few books and spent a few thousand so i am not new to roids but i am lost at this point.

when you took TEST, DECA AND DBOL what was your cycle and how was your training

[Grizzly]

I don't think the answer lies in drugs. You've spent a couple grand and are where in terms of development? Somewhere you could have easily surpassed for free. Clearly, the problem lies less in which chemicals you choose to use and how you train/eat.

[MaxRep]

With goals like that, given your height and weight, I don't see why you'd need to do anything more than spend some time in the training and nutrition forums.

Once you learn how to train and eat properly, you should be able to accomplish your goals within 8-10 weeks. Throw in some creatine and an ECAY stack and it probably wouldn't even take that long.

Good luck,
MaxRep

[Grizzly]

jinx!

[MaxRep]

Isn't it strange how people with no connection, but who have been there, done that... tend to come up with the same answers to a question.

Despite that, I'm sure we're going to have to hear how the guy trains so hard and already knows all about nutrition and proper diet But... is just a hard gainer!

MaxRep

[messdup]

Originally Posted by MaxRep

Isn't it strange how people with no connection, but who have been there, done that... tend to come up with the same answers to a question.

Despite that, I'm sure we're going to have to hear how the guy trains so hard and already knows all about nutrition and proper diet But... is just a hard gainer!

MaxRep

I don't believe i am a hard gainer......When i am training I am good at it, Lifting is the easy part....the diet i may have a few flaws.

I do the protien....I have gotten into aminos, lysine,argenine, and a few others.

My major flaw lies in my consistancy i will train for 4 months look good... and stop for two months and loose all my progress. (maybe due to post cycle hormone levels). I have no drive post cycle.

creatine gives me an easy 8 lbs but also a bloated look. I have some size but not much definition.....so creatine doesn't help, eventhough i use it faithfully and am actually a fan.

I think i am going to take anavar 20mg ed, winny 50mg ed, proviron 25 or 50 ed. I got this from anabolics 2002. what do you guys think is this going to be rough on the libido? And how would post cycle effects be would i experience the same post cycle effects as with any other cycle?

[Grizzly]

Dude, honestly, you have no business whatsoever using steroids. However, I'll give you a lot more credit than the other "hardgainers" or "small people" that come on here. At least you're honest about how sorry your training is.

I think we should once again read MaxRep's advice. You can EASILY get where you want to be without juice. And then, maybe, some day 3 years down the road when you haven't missed any time lifting, you can use steroids. Well, you can use them now, you just won't see nearly the benefit.

[Animalhouse]

I could not agree more with what Maxrep and Grizzly said- to think someone has spent a few thousand on steroids and trains 4 months on 2 months off- well i will just say you should not be using steroids whatsoever and leave it at and not type something less polite. Train week in week out as a lifestyle- forget steroids for a couple of years until you have some discipline and you will look better than you ever will using steroids as you do now.

[Texas Renegade]

Let me just say for the record. I am really not flaming, nor am I trying to flame anyone. I don't flame. I am going to offer MHO in the same way I do for everyone. I am not a god of AAS. But I would like to offer what I do know to you and others. Hence the posting on bords, lol. Please don't take this as a negitive post, it's not. I am going to question you on everything. In hopes of getting you to see what is importaint. I am more than willing you help you any way I can, so is everyone on this board. The hard part is knowing that AAS is rarely the answer. And that sometimes we have to dig deeper than we are comfortable doing to reach the facts, not truths. Truths can be bent and twisted to resemble anything we want. Some believe that it's the truth that AAS will kill you the moment it comes into contact with you and that it's the root of all evil. But that is not fact!!! Fact is, many people don't know fact from truth. So, please bear with me as I pick apart your post. I only hope you respond to this and not take it as a flame.

Peace,

T.R.

Originally Posted by messdup

I don't believe i am a hard gainer......When i am training I am good at it, Lifting is the easy part....the diet i may have a few flaws.

Good, because there is no such thing as a "Hardgainer". Just a lazy one.
Training or lifting, should NOT be the easy part...
Your diet may have a few flaws...? Could you post it and let us see it?

Originally Posted by messdup

I do the protien....I have gotten into aminos, lysine,argenine, and a few others.

How much protein per day?
What is your PTOR (Protein Turn-Over Rate)?
How are you getting your amino's? What few others?

Originally Posted by messdup

My major flaw lies in my consistancy i will train for 4 months look good... and stop for two months and loose all my progress. (maybe due to post cycle hormone levels). I have no drive post cycle.

Your going to cause more harm to yourself than any good.
PCT is importaint for everyone...

Originally Posted by messdup

creatine gives me an easy 8 lbs but also a bloated look. I have some size but not much definition.....so creatine doesn't help, eventhough i use it faithfully and am actually a fan.

AAS doesn't give you anything but a messed up hormone profile. Your diet and training provide the stimulis for growth or loss. If you have some size and no definition, then your diet is most likely the culprit, as well as poor training habits. If you gain 8 lbs on creatine, then you can grow and cut without AAS. Do you ever get really bad muscle cramps? You could be dehydrated... I MIGHT, gain .5 lb when I use creatine. And I do feel that it works for me quite well.

Originally Posted by messdup

I think i am going to take anavar 20mg ed, winny 50mg ed, proviron 25 or 50 ed.

Thats not a cycle. Thats a sign you lack the proper knowledge in how not to go about hurting yourself. Take the advice of the others. Stay away from AAS for atleast 3 years. Since you not wanting to be 285 lbs, you really have no need for AAS at all. Food is cheaper and no need to go to jail. Well, that is unless your like me. I was once kicked out of an "all you can eat" chinese place. I had to be led away from the place in handcuffs... One of my finer moments...

Originally Posted by messdup

I got this from anabolics 2002.

Anabolics 2004 is out. Get that one, it's much better.

Originally Posted by messdup

what do you guys think is this going to be rough on the libido?

I would think that, having you pecker turn purpple and fall off would be really bad for the libido, lol. Since you mentioned nothing about PCT... It's all bad for your libido.

Originally Posted by messdup

And how would post cycle effects be would i experience the same post cycle effects as with any other cycle?

You are doomed to suffer the same effects untill you realy know what your body is doing before, during, and after your cycle.

With respect,

T.R.