What's the point of recovering with HCG?

[JiHbE]

Sorry guys Newbie question....

I'm currently researching a first cycle and have access to everything so far but HCG. I would most likely be doing a basic 500mg Test E cycle for 8 weeks and would have Arimidex and Clomid on hand. With only 500mg of Test per week is is ESSENTIAL to recover with the HCG? Is it crucial in keeping any gains made? Is HCG expensive? Any side affects? Sorry this may seem dumb to many of you but it's important for me to learn this stuff now before I make a serious mistake.

[bg65]

IMO, HCG is only needed if you experience testicular atrophy, it does nothing to restore production of LH, only serving to mimic it and act as a "shock" to your testes to kind of wake them up ...for the cycle you have proposed, clomid or nolva should be sufficient for PCT...a good debate about this would be interesting though

[Pablo34]

Originally Posted by bg65

IMO, HCG is only needed if you experience testicular atrophy, it does nothing to restore production of LH, only serving to mimic it and act as a "shock" to your testes to kind of wake them up ...for the cycle you have proposed, clomid or nolva should be sufficient for PCT...a good debate about this would be interesting though

By taking HCG to reverse the testicular atrophy, is this just a cosmetic thing for ego or is it physiologically recommended? I can have my nuts stay small instead of shooting myself with more stuff during my cycle. I always get conflicting stories on whether to use it or not. I jsut use clomid and nolva post-cycle.

[bg65]

IMO taking HCG does more than help aesthetics, now this is just a theory I am working on, but the atrophy in the testes must be attributed to a decrease in the size or number of some of the components of the testes...seminiferous tubules account for about 80% of the mass and they contain the spermatocytes...spermatogenesis decreases with the use of AAS, so this might result in decreased amnt of spermatocytes in the seminiferous tubules...except, it's not LH here, it's FSH..damn this is a good one...LH (which HCG mimics) primarily targets the leydig cells and so if HCG inhibits testicular atrophy during cycles then can we assume that a decrease in the number of leydig cells is the cause of atrophy? if it is, then maintaining the precycle number of leydig cells (or initiating PCT with a shock to tell the body it needs more leydig cells) could speed the recovery...I look forward to reading what any other's know...this will give me something to think about tonight

[crobar1]

If they shring to peanuts the you'll be happy that you had some HCG, two quick 5000IU shocks with 4 days apart can kickstart most recoveries. I do that and the 1000 each day for 5 more days with Nolvadex follow for 3 weeks.

[big gig]

i've got nolva arimadex and clomid. been on 600mg test e/450mg eq week 10 weeks. i've got only 3 sets of 1500 hcg. what do you think would be most benificial way to use that?

[lestatgear]

I'm a big fan of hcg to kick off recovery, but w/ your proposed cycle, you probably wouldn't need it.

[Data1000]

For me, 8 weeks is long enough for me to need HCG. In very simple terms: if your testes are tiny at the end of the cycle, then clomid can not as effective.

HCG is cheap. An easy and painless way to inject it is with a slin needle. Opening the little glass container that the powder comes in takes some time and patience. HCG usually comes in 1500 iu or 5000 iu. I use 5000 iu and then split it up into 5 doses. Storing the remaining doses in a pin for a week or two doesn't hurt anything.

Some bros inject HCG sub-q, while others inject it into the muscle. I inject slightly into my traps with a slin needle because sub-q doesn't seem to work as well for me.

I wouldn't want to do a cycle without HCG.

Data

[lobo]

The only time I have ever needed HCG was when I ran deca, that stuff is aweful.

[MikeHeavypecs]

I have been using Androderm 10mg/day patch for the last 10 years in hopes of maintaining my muscle size. (I won the 1988 Mr Tennessee....a longggg time ago now). After 10 years of just working out and trying to maintain some muscle size, I got the "itch" again (this past June) to see if I can still build mass at my age (unfortunately, 50). I am on my 2nd round of M1T which I have to say after many years in the past of heavy AAS, I'm very shocked at the results. My question here is: I have been on Androderm for 10 years and my balls have shrunk to close to grape size. Now on M1T they are getting close to raisin size. Do you think that HCG will increase the nad size after being dormant for such a long period of time? I just wonder how many other BBs have experienced this over long term......

I guess I don't really care about the size since I am already married but am concerned about how small they will actually get :-)

Thanks!

Mike

[rjx]

Take 250 - 500 iu of hcg DURING the cycle every 4 days to PREVENT your nuts from shrinking. Why wait to bring em back from the dead when you can prevent it all together and recover from your cycle faster to keep more of your hard earned gains?

[atomicone]

It wouldn't hurt to do 500iu for 5-7 days 10 days after last injection.

Originally Posted by JiHbE

Sorry guys Newbie question....

I'm currently researching a first cycle and have access to everything so far but HCG. I would most likely be doing a basic 500mg Test E cycle for 8 weeks and would have Arimidex and Clomid on hand. With only 500mg of Test per week is is ESSENTIAL to recover with the HCG? Is it crucial in keeping any gains made? Is HCG expensive? Any side affects? Sorry this may seem dumb to many of you but it's important for me to learn this stuff now before I make a serious mistake.

[MikeHeavypecs]

Thanks, guys.......looks like it wouldn't hurt to try HCG and see if I can reactivate the nads...

[Deacon]

if you are young you may not need HCG as your system will recover quickly on its own - after more cycles and age you will need it - also the stack you use may require it - I suggest it after every stack that includes deca and or tren

[crobar1]

You need to jump start you endogenous production of test as quickly as possible. Take care to wait until the long term esters are not still active.