Which is better? HELP!

[airnzah]

Hey guys. I’m plannin to do a bulking/mass gain cycle a couple of months from now. But I’m kinda torn between two cycles. Budget is my dilemma here. I’m 5’7, 165lbs, training for 5 years, done two Test cycles (both unsuccessful).

Option 1: 10-week cycle
Trenbolone acetate 75mg/ml 10ml vial (2ml/week)
Stanozolol (injectible) 50mg/ml 20ml vial (3ml/week)

Option 2: 12-week cycle
Sustanon 250 (500mg/week)
D-bol (25-30mg/week, 1st 4 weeks)
Stanozolol (injectible) (3ml/week, last 4 weeks)

I know that option 1 is advised for a cutting cycle, but due to the great anabolic effects of these two, surely one can opt to use it in a bulking cycle. Sorta like a ‘lean bulk’. Besides gains from these are fairly easy to maintain right? Most importantly, this is the cheaper of the two cycles.

Now in option 2, this for me I think is the one that I should be doing. I saw this in Steroid.com. This will surely pack the mass. But, this cost a lot. Not to mention the PCT. Recently I did a sust/d-bol cycle, w/c I gained almost 25lbs in 6 weeks. But as soon as I stopped, I lost ALL of it! I was back to zero. I just wasted a hard earned money right there. I won’t go into details about this, but I know it was my mistake. And next time I do this kinda cycle, I’ll do it right. But like I said, option 2 costs a lot, & I’m a little afraid I might end up ZERO again like the other one.

Which of the two should I do?

I’ll really appreciate any opinions from y’all. Please! I’m open to any advice, criticisms, suggestions, corrections about these cycles… please. Help. Thanks in advance

[Selene]

Cycle # 2 I think, why were your first 2 cycles unsuccessful? cycle is usually not good if diet and training are not on par

good luck to you with this cycle

[advanced-stealth]

Why do you say (both unsuccessful)

[dennis]

I hear the words "cost" and "bulking"...forget winstrol and tren..too much cash there bro..plus neither is a good bulker.Get d bol,sust,and deca oh yeah..and lots of FOOD!

[Stormbringer]

I agree w Dennis here. Forget using the Winnie for anything bulking. I think what he suggested would accomplish what you want.

[airnzah]

yeah. but I'd like a cycle that is fairly easy to maintain. That's why I thought about winny & tren.

can't I stack test AND winny? winny for like the last weeks or after the test?

[bigbench]

The winny DOES help to harden the muscle, but for the most part, its about the diet, training, body comp, etc.. You prob lost your weight from the first cycle BECAUSE it was only 6 weeks long. Although you gained so much weight, it was more likely do to the dbol, which is going to be a lot of water weight. Then the test doesnt even really kick in for some until the 5 th week, so that didnt really have time to kick in. Also, you are taking something that is pushing your body to new limits at an incredible rate and your body didnt really have time to adjust and learn how to KEEP your new weight. On top of that, you prob didnt use pct and might not have kept your cals up high enough to sustain your new size. Most people put all their effort into the cycle and slack off post cycle, but that time is just as important.
As far as what cycle, I would go with the seconf one, but instead of winny, replace it with Deca for the first ten weeks. you will grow like a weed with that stack. The best saying ever.... if you cant grow off of test/deca/dbol, then your NEVER going to grow.

[chipmunk]

Originally Posted by airnzah

done two Test cycles (both unsuccessful).

Why was it unsucessful Mr. Airnzah? If your diet/training is not consistent or as Selene says "not up to par" NO amount of gear will help you achieve your goals. IMO, you need to nail the nutrition/training part FIRST.

[HDH]

From the sounds of it you don't have a problem growing. If you can't afford a lot just stick with the Sust and D-bol. You will grow on that fine but you need to figure out how to keep it.

What does your PCT look like?

What about ancillaries for sides?

You need plenty of food on and off cycle.

All of this costs $$$.

HDH

[airnzah]

yeah. point taken. Thanks.

I had a BS cycle I must admit. it was short, & I slacked on the nutrition part post-cycle. well I have to learn from it.

but one last cry, I really wanna know, if it's possible for me to stack test AND stanozolol?

[bigbench]

YES.. its is possible. But winny is not going to give you the size that you want, but it can help you harden up if you really want that. Since winny is MUCH fast acting, and your test is long acting. I would do the winny for weeks 10-14 NOT weeks 8-12, that way, the winny and the test will clear out around the same time and PCT will be more beneficial for you

[airnzah]

yes, exactly. So I can start PCT right after winny?

[bigbench]

Correct. The winny should be out at the most 3 days

[airnzah]

Thanks!

It's getting clearer to me now. Though I still have to think bout some things. Appreciate it!