Why is DECA is SUPPRESSIVE ????

[HDH]

Originally Posted by JohnTree

Ok, one of the reasons you run Test with deca is for sexual "happenis" during the cycle.

But does running test with deca also help your body stay less suppressive than a deca only cycle so after the cycle it's easier pct to get back to normal testosterone and hormone production and levels?

I guess I'm wondering what all the reasons are to have more test than deca in the cycle rather than equal amounts of deca and test. I'm preloaded deca 600 mg wk for 2 weeks and am about to drop deca down but don't know the benefits of dropping the deca to lets say 300 mg week while maintaining 400mg week test rather than only dropping deca to 400 mg week.

I'm 46 and concerned with what I do now to make getting back to normal hormones best.

Run the test higher bro. The test doesn't make the suppression any less, it substitutes your natural test which you need for "happiness". If you run the Deca higher, it will dominate the test you are injecting which in turn, could more than likely lead to "unhappiness". If I remember correctly, this was one of your main goals.

This is your first cycle, you haven't even begun to see the effects yet. Take it easy, you will be fine

HDH

[jsupstarz]

Yeah, you won't like being decazized

[HDH]

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

Yeah, you won't like being decazized

Mr. Limp-Limp is not the man!

HDH

[jsupstarz]

NOSIR

[JohnTree]

Originally Posted by HDH

Run the test higher bro. The test doesn't make the suppression any less, it substitutes your natural test which you need for "happiness". If you run the Deca higher, it will dominate the test you are injecting which in turn, could more than likely lead to "unhappiness". If I remember correctly, this was one of your main goals.

This is your first cycle, you haven't even begun to see the effects yet. Take it easy, you will be fine

HDH

Even with the pre-load of 600mg deca vs. 400 mg test (wk) the sexual aspect has been better than usual pre-cycle. I just did 200mg deca and 200 mg test and next time will do 150 deca and 200 test from here on out 2x/wk. I think the addition of 210 mg anavar week probably helps boost the test vs. deca ratio too.

I can't wait until the stuff kcks in (2.5 weeks into it) as I'm doing things mostly right all around. I'm up 22 lbs. so far. Does the bloat keep on increasing or is weight gained from here on out consist more muscle and fat than increases in water?

[jsupstarz]

Your levels are still very low.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by JohnTree

Even with the pre-load of 600mg deca vs. 400 mg test (wk) the sexual aspect has been better than usual pre-cycle. I just did 200mg deca and 200 mg test and next time will do 150 deca and 200 test from here on out 2x/wk. I think the addition of 210 mg anavar week probably helps boost the test vs. deca ratio too.

I can't wait until the stuff kcks in (2.5 weeks into it) as I'm doing things mostly right all around. I'm up 22 lbs. so far. Does the bloat keep on increasing or is weight gained from here on out consist more muscle and fat than increases in water?

There shouldn't be that much bloat in 2 1/2 weeks. Are you weighing yourself on 2 different scales?

HDH

[NPayette]

22 pound in 2 week???

Sounds weird haha,

[JohnTree]

Originally Posted by HDH

There shouldn't be that much bloat in 2 1/2 weeks. Are you weighing yourself on 2 different scales?

HDH

It's the same scale so it's accurate weight gain measurement. I'm going up in weight a little every few days. The bloat is a concern and I've also got a little soreness on the nipples which I'm watching but trying not to over react with femara or nolvadex. Being my first cycle I'm not sure what to expect. Another variable is that after pre-loading with deca at 600mg week I'm dropping it to 300 now, resulting in 300 mg wk less deca..

My face and the weight on the scale are the visable signs of bloat but the rest of me looks ok, only my muscles look bigger. I am 6'5" and 230lbs now so the weight gain is spread over tall frame. Being tall makes it more difficult to montor fat gain as I could gain 10 lbs. of fat and not look fat. Testing body fat percentage is tricky too because water weight is perceived as muscle by the dunk tank method. Likewise, I have dificulty with testing bf with calibers as it gives higher than actual on my body.

I hear HGH can also cause some water retention. So, I've got test, deca and hgh which can hold water. Even though I'm concerned I kinda like it, unless I'm doing something wrong?

[jsupstarz]

Yeah that's a lot. W/out dbol. I woudn't have frontloaded the deca only but that ok. Good luck.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

Yeah that's a lot. W/out dbol. I woudn't have frontloaded the deca only but that ok. Good luck.

He only had enough test to run 400mg a week for 10 weeks. So he could only run the Deca for 8 weeks, that's why it was front-loaded

HDH

[HDH]

Originally Posted by JohnTree

It's the same scale so it's accurate weight gain measurement. I'm going up in weight a little every few days. The bloat is a concern and I've also got a little soreness on the nipples which I'm watching but trying not to over react with femara or nolvadex. Being my first cycle I'm not sure what to expect. Another variable is that after pre-loading with deca at 600mg week I'm dropping it to 300 now, resulting in 300 mg wk less deca..

My face and the weight on the scale are the visable signs of bloat but the rest of me looks ok, only my muscles look bigger. I am 6'5" and 230lbs now so the weight gain is spread over tall frame. Being tall makes it more difficult to montor fat gain as I could gain 10 lbs. of fat and not look fat. Testing body fat percentage is tricky too because water weight is perceived as muscle by the dunk tank method. Likewise, I have dificulty with testing bf with calibers as it gives higher than actual on my body.

I hear HGH can also cause some water retention. So, I've got test, deca and hgh which can hold water. Even though I'm concerned I kinda like it, unless I'm doing something wrong?

Two weeks is not enough time for bloat with what you are running. Even though you front-loaded the Deca at 600mg for 2 weeks you didn't have 600mg released at once. Half life means half is released-

First inject**600mg- only 300mg is released to start with. Then half of that is released**150mg- Then**75mg- Then 37.5mg and so on.

It all depends on what the half life is.

HDH

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by HDH

He only had enough test to run 400mg a week for 10 weeks. So he could only run the Deca for 8 weeks, that's why it was front-loaded

HDH

OH I C> It's all getting clearer now.

[JohnTree]

Originally Posted by HDH

Two weeks is not enough time for bloat with what you are running. Even though you front-loaded the Deca at 600mg for 2 weeks you didn't have 600mg released at once. Half life means half is released-

First inject**600mg- only 300mg is released to start with. Then half of that is released**150mg- Then**75mg- Then 37.5mg and so on.

It all depends on what the half life is.

HDH

Based on the half life, then can the bloat continue to increase for a while yet? I was hoping to get an idea of what kind of muscle I'm adding rather than water. The muscles I am working on are much bigger already but they are probably puffed up on water, unless muscles themselve don't bloat

I guess I'm asking if a bigger muscle this fast bloat? Do muscles bloat? It has the visual effect of just looking like a bigger muscle, it's not smooth.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by JohnTree

Based on the half life, then can the bloat continue to increase for a while yet? I was hoping to get an idea of what kind of muscle I'm adding rather than water. The muscles I am working on are much bigger already but they are probably puffed up on water, unless muscles themselve don't bloat

I guess I'm asking if a bigger muscle this fast bloat? Do muscles bloat? It has the visual effect of just looking like a bigger muscle, it's not smooth.

You shouldn't have gained that much water this early on. You haven't even begun to retain water yet.

How is your shoulder?

HDH