Why not Tren for a first-timer

[TheBeat]

I'm am curious about whether to try a test/tren cycle or a test/wins cycle? I'm sure everyone will say test/tren, but the reason I ask and am debating is because this will be my first cycle. Everyone I see posting as well as the profiles suggest not to take tren with a first cycle, my question is why? If the sides are that bad why would it matter if it was your first or 10th - it should have the same effect right? Anyway any opinions greatly appreciated.

btw - goals are that I have a wedding next year in august and am planning on running the cycle in a couple months hoping to gain around 10-20lbs and lose around 25-30lb fat (not neccessarily from the cycle, but by next year.)
I've been training for 11 years. 6'2", 240lb, 17% bodyfat. Lifts on the "big three" are Bench 315x3, Dead 455x4, Squat 315x3 (I know my squat sucks COMPARED to the others.)Diet - good in my opinion, great In others; clean foods, little or no trans-fats, around 45-35-20 (carb-pro-fat)

I like to use all three, but price is a concern, but who knows. Another option for the winstrol is masteron which I can actually get cheaper for the same dose, but figured that since the masteron increases aggressiveness as does the tren that they might not be a good match.

I have 60 weeks from now for my goal of gaining around 15-20lbs muscle (although I'll settle for more) and losing 25-30lb fat (around 8% bf - and no, I am not planning on the aas for losing the fat), and was planning on starting no early than 16 weeks from now, which by then I plan on being around 12-13% bodyfat.

I am thinking about running two 6-week cycles between 4 months from now and my goal date 60 weeks from now. I can post an exact time-line and supplement/diet and aas stacks if wanted.

[jasthace]

I used to take quite a bit of gear when I was in my 20's.But stopped taking after I got married.......
Anyway,I started again not so long ago{after 5 years}.I was very surprised with the side effects I got.First I caught a cold,got alot of sweats,and very moody on occasions,and that was on a low dose of 250mg teste every 5days!
If you were going to use Tren in a stack of test for your first cycle I think you may feel some uncomfortable sides,and may even lose it with your friends and family.
You should get some good answers when the Tren freaks get here!

[bigbench]

tren is def harder on the body than test and like he stated above, you will more likely have more sides. its always good to start off with one thing at a time so each time you can see how your body reacts to each chem and which one is best for you!

[unt0ld]

Test is a big step. It takes a little time getting used to the androgen.


And let me tell you.

The tren is 3 times more androgenic.

So your mood swings will be bad.


I dont see why not though.

Stack test at 500 mg/week and tren at a low dose. Say 400mg/week. Or even lower.

[TheBeat]

What about masteron or stanozolol? Also, I was thinking about test prop @ 350/week (50/day) Tren at 262.5/week (37.5/day) - would the tren be high enough to make it worth it or should I go higher if I used it?

[Grizzly]

I guess one coud make a case for not using tren on the first cycle. Don't know. I did. Didn't kill me.

[billydidit]

Originally Posted by TheBeat

What about masteron or stanozolol? Also, I was thinking about test prop @ 350/week (50/day) Tren at 262.5/week (37.5/day) - would the tren be high enough to make it worth it or should I go higher if I used it?

Bro, take some good advice and wait on the Tren. Many bros go and do stupid shit during mood swings.

I suggest taking 150mg Test Prop EoD (Every other Day) and if you want to stack try some EQ. After a few weeks you be pumped to lift, feel strong, and the EQ should give you a feeling of well-being.

My bros first cycle was no more than 10 weeks and he blew up about 35 lbs in weight and his strength gains were unbelieveable. However, by the end of his cycle he had lost his job due to arguing with his boss. In addition, I believe that if he was hitting the gym any harder he would have suffered a serious injury.

[Methandro]

Bro that's some harsh junk to say the least. I know vets w/ 4 yrs behind em who still won't touch that shit. Keeps me up for days at a time. I'm sure Tren freaks will attest to insomnia Tren brings on.

[Deacon]

training for a wedding - sure why not?

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

I guess one coud make a case for not using tren on the first cycle. Don't know. I did. Didn't kill me.

Glad we agree on this .. I actually think we have agreed on alot of things which makes me happy because your good to go Grizz lol ... friends 1st time using AAS and i have him on Tren only at 386 but i'm upping it to 579 starting Mon .. He's been on for only about 1 1/2 weeks but he is 230 and needs to lose decent amount of fat .. I know this will do it and he has cleaned up diet pretty damn good .. Getting him on Drost E in few weeks .. well maybe 2 weeks and then adding in var and probably have him come off with Var .. Hit him with some HCG last few weeks but i'm not sure yet .. I like to adjust dose as we go but always like to start with more than enough and lower it than to have to higher it .. seems like a waste of gear .. i just figured 2 ml would be enough but now i don't think so .. So if he doesn't get Tren Dick and sexdrive stays high,can we then stop saying Test is needed in every cycle to keep sexdrive/erections up?

[MANWHORE]

Wow you guys must be getting some spoiled Tren because it makes me feel great ... AND i believe the eccess E from things such as Test are much worse for Mood than the high androgenic part of Tren .. see Tren mood is a more controlled mood for me .. I just consider it aggression but controlled like your either going to knock someone out or not .. needing a reason though like someone starting the fight or really pushing but the MOODSWINGS from E are different almost like passive agressive .. talking under your breath .. having problems with stupid shit .. see it is different for me .. Tren gives me aggression but more of a controlled aggression having it there when needed but high E from test being just like a bitch on her period ... You can also gain more on the scale with Test because it isn't all muscle or lean mass .. i said it before and i will say it as many times as i need to .. There is nothing like a SOLID weight gain .. You can not see it on the scale but the mirror tells a whole different story .. Highschool kids love BULK because it makes them feel confident to be bigger even if 10lbs of that 20 is fat and water .. I started a thread ,, think i started it few months ago about bigger bulker guys looking good with cloths on and smaller defined guys not but when the shirts come off, it is crazy how different these guys look .. I will take 10lbs solid with Tren while losing fat then 20lbs on scale with Test,Dbol etc just to have to lose 10lbs of water and fat with cut cycle after,, which will most likely be with Tren in the stack anyway .. makes absolutely no sense to me what so ever .. If your a BBer that is of course ... If your a strongman than obviously extra weight , even fat weight .. can help in certain events .. O yeah i'm going to sleep like a baby tonight because i know i can sleep in until 9am .. very tired now .. later

[TheBeat]

Thanks for the opinions guys. Does anyone think that masteron with tren would cause too much aggression? I know it's relative, but the aggression seams to be everyone's concern regarding a first time cycle.

[swelty]

i am on my first cutter test e, tren e and mast e. i have notice some agression but its not like i am going to loose it at all times. like people said above shit gets on your nerves but you just brush it off.

[Big_paul]

The tren will effect my moods more than any other aas. I also sweat alot on when I'm using it. But I think you have a point It will be the same whether it is your first or your tenth cycle. I would use it with test if I wanted to put on some size without too much bloat. I like it alot better than winnie, I think its more effective. I would go ahead and use it if you want.Just watch your mood and think before you act.

[swelty]

bump