Will Deca Help??

[Texas Ranger]

Guys, I had surgery to repair the ACL in my right knee about 5 years ago. Whenever I go heavy on leg workouts, which is all the time(Only way for my legs to grow), it gives me some trouble. I plan on running Test(500mg/wk) & Winstrol(Oral)(50mgs ED) for my First Cycle in a few weeks. Should I include a light dose of Deca@100mgs/wk to help with the "possible" and probable joint pain from Winny, plus the increased workout poundage??

[chaos]

100 mg won't do it IMHO. 200mg/wk MAY be enough to help lube your joints, but will not contribute to gains. you may want to consider 300-400mg/wk. at that dose you shouldnt notice any negative sides, it WILL,lube your joints, and help you grow.

use glucosamine/condroiten/MSM, ed, 6 wks before starting the winny.this should also help limit joint pain

good luck--CHAOS

[bluestrm]

GH is the one thing that will definitely help to heal the problem.
Deca, as everyone knows, will lube the joints up. But in MD there was an article doing studies on Deca and it actually does help to heal tendons. And it showed to work even with 100mg per week.
So, Deca should help you.

[Shukdawg]

Originally Posted by bluestrm

GH is the one thing that will definitely help to heal the problem.
Deca, as everyone knows, will lube the joints up. But in MD there was an article doing studies on Deca and it actually does help to heal tendons and ligaments. And it showed to work even with 100mg per week.
So, Deca should help you.

Could you post a link to this article please?

[bluestrm]

Ok. It was done by the Amaerican Journal of Sports and Medicine.
"By measuring the physical and functional properties, the scientist determined that tendons receiving both Deca and exercise healed quicker and resulted in a stronger tendon fragment during only seven days of the study."
They used 3 different control groups for this. Some with just exercise, Some with just Deca, and some received Deca and exercise. A final group received neither the drug nor exercise to act as a control.
"This was determined by measuring the surface area and cross section of the tendon, enzyme levels involved in the healing process and how the tendon responded to strain applied by pulling the small fragments."

[Shukdawg]

Originally Posted by bluestrm

Ok. It was done by the Amaerican Journal of Sports and Medicine.
"By measuring the physical and functional properties, the scientist determined that tendons receiving both Deca and exercise healed quicker and resulted in a stronger tendon fragment during only seven days of the study."
They used 3 different control groups for this. Some with just exercise, Some with just Deca, and some received Deca and exercise. A final group received neither the drug nor exercise to act as a control.
"This was determined by measuring the surface area of the and cross section of the tendon, enzyme levels involved in the healing process and how the tendon responded to strain applied by pulling the small fragments."

Thanks.

[Phreezer]

the reason deca helps heal tendons is because it also increase Colligen synthesis... To a lesser degree than EQ... also deca increases Synovial fluid..to a greater extent than eq which also helps heal ligaments and tendons in load bearing joints...

[Texas Ranger]

Thanks for the input, fellas! I was planning on using the Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM combo. I bought each one separately from Sam's, so I'm good to go on that end. Just to be clear, I'm not using Deca to increase the gains, just for the joint lubing properties. This is what I'm planning.
Test Enanthate@500mgs weeks 1-12
Dbol@25mgs ED weeks 1-4
Winny@50mgs ED 8-14
Femara@1.25mgs EOD(To keep me dry. NO water bloat for me!)
Deca@100mgs weeks 1-8

I'm stopping the Deca at 8 weeks because I don't want any problems during PCT. The that Deca builds up in the system, there should lots of it when Winstrol gets introduced in the cycle. Sound ok?? Here are my stats: 30 years old, 6'3" 220-225lbs and 8-9% bodyfat.

[Phreezer]

If you are having joint problems don't use Winstrol.. Winstrol causes cellular necrosis in ligaments and tendons.. that is why I hate it with a passion... If you are having ligament tendon joint problems..avoid winstrol like the fucking plague!

[Texas Ranger]

Originally Posted by Phreezer

If you are having joint problems don't use Winstrol.. Winstrol causes cellular necrosis in ligaments and tendons.. that is why I hate it with a passion... If you are having ligament tendon joint problems..avoid winstrol like the fucking plague!

What would you use in it's place? I know you're going to say Anavar, but I can't afford it. Let me tell you my goal. I'm going to use the first half of the cycle trying to put on some size(weeks 1-7). Then, shift gears and try to lean up a bit before going into PCT. I using Winny mainly for the cosmetic effect.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Texas Ranger

What would you use in it's place? I know you're going to say Anavar, but I can't afford it. Let me tell you my goal. I'm going to use the first half of the cycle trying to put on some size(weeks 1-7). Then, shift gears and try to lean up a bit before going into PCT. I using Winny mainly for the cosmetic effect.

we need to know more about your cycle experience before we start recomending drugs. but i can think of a couple besides var.

[Phreezer]

I would recommend Tren very similar to some of the effects that winstrol has, with less sides

[Texas Ranger]

Originally Posted by Phreezer

I would recommend Tren very similar to some of the effects that winstrol has, with less sides

Phreezer, do you think Tren is safe to run on a First Cycle? If so, how much? I hope I wasn't one of the guys you were talking about in rant thread. I'm listening to you, brother.

[Texas Ranger]

Originally Posted by Bigkarch

as I said above, deca will only mask your symptoms...you need to find out how to grow/workout with your injuries..Deca is not the catch all.

Karch, honestly the knee pain is not that bad during the workouts even after the workouts. It's just a little gimpy, but ask anybody that had an ACL done and they'll pretty much tell you the same thing. It's not like I'm incapacitated or anything because the joint itself is fine. I'm more concerned about the "possible" Winny pain than anything else.

[Texas Ranger]

Originally Posted by Bigkarch

then continue to train that area bro....dump that winny and try deca...see how that goes and we can go from there..

Ok, so Test@500mgs/wk and Deca@300mgs/wk, right?