Winny and Aromasin

[Mighty_Bluff]

Hi, Wanted to get some Cycle advise for Aromasin and Winny tabs. These are the only two things I could get my hands on. i.e., I have no Test. I have intermediate experience with AAS's. Did a lot of cycles about 3-5yrs ago. Just easing back into it again lately. I'm not really looking for big gains just trying to maintain and cut-up on a lower calorie diet of about 2000-2500 calories a day. I'm 30, about 230lbs. I do about 8 hours a week of Kickboxing - sparring and bag workouts with a lot of calisthenics. I also weight train twice a week doing full body workouts with several super-sets. Hoping to get down to about 195-200 range by end of the year. I want to be able to fight at middleweight 185 early next year. Obviously, I'd like to maintain as much muscle as possible or even gain a little.

I was thinking about doing 3weeks on 2weeks off, then 2weeks on 3weeks off. Used to work well for me, and include ECA throughout the whole time. My trainined also recommended taking the Winny every other day, and that would supposedly stop the body test production from shutting down? Anyway, any recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks,
Bluff

[Mighty_Bluff]

So.... Nobody wants to help?

[HDH]

If you want to loose 45lbs I would suggest you leave the AAS alone right now and stick with the ECA stack or Clen / T3. It is even good to alternate the two.

I also think there are better choices for your goals than Winny after you loose about 20 to 25lbs.

It is best to set a goal and then get what you need. I wouldn't get something because it's all I could get at the time.

Winny isn't going to help you loose weight. Your diet, cardio and training will do that at this point.

45lbs is a lot of weight to lose. The hardest weight for you to lose will be when you reach below 200lbs. The first 25 to 30 should come off pretty fast if you stick with it and diet smart.

HDH

[Mighty_Bluff]

Thanks for the advise HDH,
Just to clarify... I don't need to get down to 185. At 200-205 lbs, I can cut water weight within a couple days to make 185 for weigh-ins. I've been fighting at heavyweight for a while, but at 230 I'm very small for HW, so i've decided to try and drop down 2 weight classes. I'm fairly muscular right now, so I'm really worried about losing a big portion of the muscle mass as I drop weight. I figured if I was on Winny while cutting, It might help preserve as much of the muscle mass as possible. If you can recommend other methods I'm all ears. Thanks again.

[HDH]

15 to 20lbs water loss in a few days?

Are you planing on being on an aromitizable steroid at that time?

How do you feel about injections?

HDH

[ChaseQ]

Originally Posted by HDH

How do you feel about injections?

HDH

LOL. Thats the question that gets the results!

Just throwing this out there, but what about a low to moderate dose of DNP?

Whats you time frame to lose this weight?

[Mighty_Bluff]

Yes, I've been cutting weight for fights since HS Wrestling. I can drop 10 lbs of water in half a day easily, and naturally. All I do is put on a sauna-suit, tape up the wrists and feet... jump in the sauna and start riding the stationary bike. Once you've done it several times, it's easy...

Anyway, I used to inject a lot a few years ago. I'm not opposed to it right now, I just don't have much choice in gear at the moment. I can also get my hands on Tren, but thats about it... plus Winny and the Aromasin.

I need my energy, plus I've got a few months to drop weight so I don't need or want to do DNP. I can lose the weight with the normal training program I'm on right now. I just don't want to lose strength and muscle mass in the process.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by Mighty_Bluff

Yes, I've been cutting weight for fights since HS Wrestling. I can drop 10 lbs of water in half a day easily, and naturally. All I do is put on a sauna-suit, tape up the wrists and feet... jump in the sauna and start riding the stationary bike. Once you've done it several times, it's easy...

Anyway, I used to inject a lot a few years ago. I'm not opposed to it right now, I just don't have much choice in gear at the moment. I can also get my hands on Tren, but thats about it... plus Winny and the Aromasin.

I need my energy, plus I've got a few months to drop weight so I don't need or want to do DNP. I can lose the weight with the normal training program I'm on right now. I just don't want to lose strength and muscle mass in the process.

I hear ya on the 10lbs in 1/2 a day but do you think you can lose more than that.

20lbs is a lot of water weight. Is this something you have done before?

I'm thinking no.........Just here to help bro. Enlighten me.

HDH

[Reinheart]

HDH is right. Eca and/or clen/T3 would work just fine. I would add another steroid, preferably injectable to help maintain my muscle mass while losing fat and water weight. Primo works pretty good in that case since it's the only steroid which works on a low caloric intake and a lot of people say it's stronger than masteron.

Since you have a lot of time to prepare, i recommend taking your time and lose the wanted weight slowly rather than being on the clock because there is a great chance you'll start gaining again. 8-10 pounds a month should be fine.

I would also train weights 3 times a week, all morning sessions and then do the martial arts in the late evening. You can keep your nutrition in check that way and recover. You can use 1000mgs carnitine along with 5 grams of creatine and a serving of BCCA'S before your training sessions to boost fat loss and mental focus while maintaing muscle mass if you can't get your hands on primo.

One more thing, drop the idea of losing ten pounds in a day. You don't want to fuck up your metabolism. Take it easy.

If you don't want to experience a loss in energy you have to keep your carbs up as well as supplement properly.

[HDH]

It doesn't really matter which aas is used. I would stay away from the the oral only if possible. Primo is a bit expensive for the goals here. A low dose of Test would do just fine after the BF% goes down some.

HDH