WTF's up with my Test Enth...

[killerdice]

I made some Test Enth at 250ml/cc with .5% BA only... And the shit hurts like a mofo.. Made some NPP 100ml/cc with 15% BB and 5% BA and it is painless.. I cant figure out what is up with my T.E .. Any Ideas?

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by killerdice

I made some Test Enth at 250ml/cc with .5% BA only... And the shit hurts like a mofo.. Made some NPP 100ml/cc with 15% BB and 5% BA and it is painless.. I cant figure out what is up with my T.E .. Any Ideas?

Were the injection sites the same? I know I have some areas it always hurts and others it never hurts.

Are you sure it was only .5%BA? That's a very small amount, only 1/10th of a ml if you were making 20 ml's.

My guess is somehow you made an error in the amounts you used.

MaxRep

[onamission]

Max Rep, is there any truth to the idea of people having different reactions to the different esters?...I know when I took test enth. it hurt like hell, but i have no problems at all with test prop....any ideas?
Maybe this is what killerdice is experiencing.

[killerdice]

Originally Posted by MaxRep

Were the injection sites the same? I know I have some areas it always hurts and others it never hurts.

Are you sure it was only .5%BA? That's a very small amount, only 1/10th of a ml if you were making 20 ml's.

My guess is somehow you made an error in the amounts you used.

MaxRep

I made with 50cc's and used 2.5cc BA.. I shot in quad and did on both sides.. I have used gear with excessinve BA and it does not hurt like this,, It seems to run down the muscle all the way to my knee with too much ba... Not sure wazz up with dis shit would hate to have to toss it....

[killerdice]

onamission,,

you could be right bro... I have never done TE have alway used Cyp in the past and human grade at that... I have a buddy that is going to try some and see if it does the same for him.

[EDED]

Originally Posted by killerdice

I made with 50cc's and used 2.5cc BA.. I shot in quad and did on both sides.. I have used gear with excessinve BA and it does not hurt like this,, It seems to run down the muscle all the way to my knee with too much ba... Not sure wazz up with dis shit would hate to have to toss it....

2.5 in 50 is 5% BA i think, someone double check the math for me.

[spectrum]

i'm no expert but i've been trying to research this for awhile.
the batch done with no bb may have been releasing the compound from the "carrier" leaving raw hormone behind.

basically the oil and ba leave the injection site faster than the hormone breaks down.

i believe that one of the uses for bb is to keep the hormone in solution longer cause it binds better.
i'd wonder if the addition of bb to the test would help w/the pain.

i'd like to hear from those that have more knowledge and experience than me on this tho.

[killerdice]

Originally Posted by spectrum

i'm no expert but i've been trying to research this for awhile.
the batch done with no bb may have been releasing the compound from the "carrier" leaving raw hormone behind.

basically the oil and ba leave the injection site faster than the hormone breaks down.

i believe that one of the uses for bb is to keep the hormone in solution longer cause it binds better.
i'd wonder if the addition of bb to the test would help w/the pain.

i'd like to hear from those that have more knowledge and experience than me on this tho.

This is a interesting what are some others ideas. ... It starts to hurt more on the 3rd day.. I could throw in some BB...

[Rod]

If you only use BA as a cosolvent, the BA will leach out of the depo, since it is quite water soluable. This will cause recrystilization of the TE. This causes pain. If you use some BB ( or other less water soluable cosolvent) this will preven this from hapening. BB is less water soluable. The TE doesn't recrystalize in depo if you have enough water insoluable cosolvent.

TE is not caustic it is very unlickly that TE is causing the pain.

[killerdice]

Originally Posted by Rod

If you only use BA as a cosolvent, the BA will leach out of the depo, since it is quite water soluable. This will cause recrystilization of the TE. This causes pain. If you use some BB ( or other less water soluable cosolvent) this will preven this from hapening. BB is less water soluable. The TE doesn't recrystalize in depo if you have enough water insoluable cosolvent.

TE is not caustic it is very unlickly that TE is causing the pain.

You saying ad some BB? A buddy did some of the same stuff and he is saying its painless.. must just be me but I will try adding some bb anyway and blast some more...

[THL]

Originally Posted by EDED

2.5 in 50 is 5% BA i think, someone double check the math for me.

EDED is correct,,,that equals 5% BA, which is quite high.

[phildogg]

Originally Posted by THL

EDED is correct,,,that equals 5% BA, which is quite high.

I made test e at 5% ba with no pain whatsoever,tell ya what bro just send it to me and I'll test it for ya. suprised noone has said that yet.j/k
phil

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by onamission

Max Rep, is there any truth to the idea of people having different reactions to the different esters?...I know when I took test enth. it hurt like hell, but i have no problems at all with test prop....any ideas?
Maybe this is what killerdice is experiencing.

As I suspected, killerdice miscalculated his math and what he thought was a very low .5% was actually a rather high 5%. I would add 3% +/- BB to your product as well as a little more oil to drop it down to 200mg/ml. This combo should be enough to stop the pain.

If you still had 50ml's, to do this, you'll need to add 2ml's of BB and 10.5ml's of oil. I've rounded the numbers off. Since you've used some and I don't know how much, hopefully you can do the math yourself to figure up how much oil and BB to add for your current situation.

What I've had success with and no pain is (enanthate ester or cypionate ester) 2%BA and 4%BB.

Onamission, different esters require differing amounts of BA and BB to get them to go into solution. Typically, the shorter the ester, the more solvent is required to keep it from crashing. The more solvent, the more pain. What you used as an example is the opposite of what most people experience as prop usually hurts more than something like an enanthate. Again, the 3 areas of suspicion when determining "why" there's injection site pain are; shot location, quantity injected and true amount of solvent(s). With home brew and UG lab brew, solvent miscalculations can easily occur.

MaxRep