Yall use Pro hormones at all?

[unt0ld]

Yall use Pro hormones at all?

Or do u just go all out and use AAS?

[solo47]

Hi untOld.

There seems to be a strong prejudice by AAS users against the use of prohormones of any kind, or even of proven supplements like Tribulus Terrestris. I agree that the oral prohormones are more dangerous to the organs than injections & that their effects are notoriously short lasting. HOWEVER, I still can't see why they shouldn't be used for PCT. Good quality Tribulus Terrestris too.

Like HCG & Clomid, Tribulus & Androdiol stimulate production of both andro & estro hormones & so should juice up the nuts to normal size. But it's still just a step. Neither HCG, Clomid, Androdiol, nor Tribulus kickstart the body's own HPTA system. Only time will do that, BUT normal-sized, functional nuts means a shorter transition period into the bod's own pituitary (HPTA) system kicking back in.

SO a prohormone like my favourite, 4-Androstenediol, & maybe even good Tribulus in high mgs & saponins extract over 45%, both which have been shown to motivate the testicals to begin prodocing androgens (& estro) but not to activate the body's own endrocrine system — exactly like HCG & Clomid! — should be effective for PCT (or maybe even during mid-cycle to prevent testicular desiccation).

In brief, I suspect (though I have not tried it) that a regimen of Androdiol prohormone + effective amounts of Tribulus extract would work about as well as HCG or Clomid in PCT as a transition from injections to the return of one's own HPTA system.

Dismiss these ideas if you must, but supply data or reasons.

Solo47

[Deacon]

prohormones do work - to a lesser degree than steroids but they do work - however they are now as illegal as steroids are so you might as well use the real thing

[earthdog]

Originally Posted by solo47

HOWEVER, I still can't see why they shouldn't be used for PCT. Good quality Tribulus Terrestris too.

Like HCG & Clomid, Tribulus & Androdiol stimulate production of both andro & estro hormones & so should juice up the nuts to normal size. But it's still just a step. Neither HCG, Clomid, Androdiol, nor Tribulus kickstart the body's own HPTA system. Only time will do that, BUT normal-sized, functional nuts means a shorter transition period into the bod's own pituitary (HPTA) system kicking back in.

SO a prohormone like my favourite, 4-Androstenediol, & maybe even good Tribulus in high mgs & saponins extract over 45%, both which have been shown to motivate the testicals to begin prodocing androgens (& estro) but not to activate the body's own endrocrine system — exactly like HCG & Clomid! — should be effective for PCT (or maybe even during mid-cycle to prevent testicular desiccation).

In brief, I suspect (though I have not tried it) that a regimen of Androdiol prohormone + effective amounts of Tribulus extract would work about as well as HCG or Clomid in PCT as a transition from injections to the return of one's own HPTA system.

Dismiss these ideas if you must, but supply data or reasons.

Solo47

This is totally wrong. Tribulus has been shown to raise estrogen more than testosterone. And androdiol (4-AD) is a steroid - a weak one, yes, but still a steriod. That's like saying Premarin and tesosterone will restore your testicular function.

[Sheki]

Prohormones are not effective, and are very expensive. No need to use them, when you have more effective and cheaper solutions.

[solo47]

Originally Posted by earthdog

This is totally wrong. Tribulus has been shown to raise estrogen more than testosterone.

I've checked into this pretty thoroughly & most research agrees with you. Still androgens are without doubt significantly increased too. When you add an estro blocker into the mix, guess what's left? MORE IMPORTANT, Tribulus works through the body's own hormonal system thus it should help reverse testicular atrophy, but it also continues the shutdown the top of the bod's own endocrine system kickstarter, the hypothalamus & pituitary (top half of the HPTA cycle) — just like Clomid & HCG.

Originally Posted by earthdog

And androdiol (4-AD) is a steroid - a weak one, yes, but still a steriod. That's like saying Premarin and tesosterone will restore your testicular function.

To quote you: "This is totally wrong." Prohormones are called that name because they initiate hormonal action ("pro"="before"); they are not themselves hormones or steroids. Actual androgen hormones (AAS) injected replace & thus shut down the testicular production line. Prohormones artificially initiate the body's own testicular production of testosterone — the "bottom" of the HPTA (Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testes-Axis). But, even more than Tribulus, prohormones like androdiol & androstenedione tend to shutdown the top of body's own natural HPTA initator, the hypothalamus & pituitary.

Point being that Androdiol & Tribulus should be effective means of getting the bottom of the bod's HPTA (Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testes-Axis) — the testicular production line — happening again. Neither, however, acts as a catalyst for the top (& most important) of the bod's natural HPT axis. So — like HCG & Clomids — they just may be the kick the balls need to return to normal size & function, BUT only time will restore the top of the HPTA.

Of course, Deacon's right as usual. Neither is anywhere near as effective as injected AAS, neither lasts anywhere near as long, & androdiol at least is probably more dangerous, having to be double digested through the liver & kidney.

Another scary side-effect: I took androdiol mid-cycle last year & it seemed I needed at least three orgasms ED to keep my head clear. Too much libidinal blow-up! Guy could go blind.

(DHEA, about to be illegalized, has much less effect than either Androdiol or Tribulus, so is less upsetting to the bod's own systems.)

Solo (Whew! Windy or what?)

[DaneGer]

I think pro hormones work i dont use them any more i have better things to use now

[unt0ld]

Originally Posted by DaneGer

I think pro hormones work i dont use them any more i have better things to use now

true that man,


Can we have a bump on the use of pro hormones for PCT.


Deacon Can you get back to us on this one? plz
ur the man.