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Ok I'm on my 4th cycle using test and the gains are not like they used to be. My test is from a very legit source, but it feels like it is underdosed, because usually I hold alot of water really quickly. All my other cycles I used 500mg of test, but I've went up to 750mg on this cycle. I don't feel the same as I did on the 500mg. Does your body build up that much of a tolerance to test, or should I kick it up to 1gram a week? I'm on my 5th week and I'm up maybe 8-10lbs, but all my others cycles, I was up 10lbs in a shorter period of time. Is there anything I can do or is it just the way it is going to be here on out?
You're either approaching your genetic limit for muscle mass or have surpassed it,,,Now the battle of gaining gets tough,,,More protein, more aas, etc,,,Water retention is from the estrogen compounds aromatised from Test,,,so consider yourself blessed that its not happening,,,That's another reason the gains are slow,,,If you're used to adding in the poundage from water retention that will be lacking now,,,VDC
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Ok I'm on my 4th cycle using test and the gains are not like they used to be. My test is from a very legit source, but it feels like it is underdosed, because usually I hold alot of water really quickly. All my other cycles I used 500mg of test, but I've went up to 750mg on this cycle. I don't feel the same as I did on the 500mg. Does your body build up that much of a tolerance to test, or should I kick it up to 1gram a week? I'm on my 5th week and I'm up maybe 8-10lbs, but all my others cycles, I was up 10lbs in a shorter period of time. Is there anything I can do or is it just the way it is going to be here on out?
Well there could be alot of factors at work here. Your diet for instance and the brands of test you have used in the past and what you are useing now and what are u stacking it with ~~then and now. Also anti-estrogens have an effect on bloat.
I asked Anabolics 2002 and 2004 author William Llewellyn a similar question. My question was pretty much "why do you have to increase dosage with androgens every cycle and why don't you get the same gains the more cycles you do". Here was his response:
"I think the diminishing returns fact has more to do with losing a positive
protein balance as the muscle cells get bigger and bigger.. Androgens
actually increase their own receptor concentrations; very different from
what we see with most other drugs.. Other factors, like increased protein
degredation, and in inability to shuttle higher and higher amouts of
nutrients to the cells, probably play a more important role here.
What you see is a dramtic increase in androgen receptor levels when one goes on a cycle. A little counter-intuitative at first, but a well documented fact.."
He said: Androgens actually increase their own receptor concentrations; very different from what we see with most other drugs
That's a little confusing, since every drug I'm aware of, causes an increase in receptors. From Nicotine to Heroine, the body responds to it's receptors being 'filled' by adapting to a new env where it can achieve homeostasis.
Maybe I'm missing something?
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Originally Posted by Patuba
I asked Anabolics 2002 and 2004 author William Llewellyn a similar question. My question was pretty much "why do you have to increase dosage with androgens every cycle and why don't you get the same gains the more cycles you do". Here was his response:
"I think the diminishing returns fact has more to do with losing a positive
protein balance as the muscle cells get bigger and bigger.. Androgens
actually increase their own receptor concentrations; very different from
what we see with most other drugs.. Other factors, like increased protein
degredation, and in inability to shuttle higher and higher amouts of
nutrients to the cells, probably play a more important role here.
What you see is a dramtic increase in androgen receptor levels when one goes on a cycle. A little counter-intuitative at first, but a well documented fact.."
Sorry I can't add more. I quoted his entire response to my e-mail.
Bro,
I'm just like you. I'm 6'2", 30 yrs. old. I started at 168 lbs. I'm at 210 lbs now. I VERY happy with gains but its hard as hell now. I agree with the other post, we're at our genetic max. Later Bro, WEILAND
He said: Androgens actually increase their own receptor concentrations; very different from what we see with most other drugs
That's a little confusing, since every drug I'm aware of, causes an increase in receptors. From Nicotine to Heroine, the body responds to it's receptors being 'filled' by adapting to a new env where it can achieve homeostasis.
Maybe I'm missing something?
You're exactly right. As counterintuitive as it may be, it's the norm. The rest of his answer is pretty solid though, which is a welcome change
Bro,
I'm just like you. I'm 6'2", 30 yrs. old. I started at 168 lbs. I'm at 210 lbs now. I VERY happy with gains but its hard as hell now. I agree with the other post, we're at our genetic max. Later Bro, WEILAND
6'2 and 210 there is no way you are past your genetic max...YOu can hold at least 230 at 6'2 before I would even think of saying something like that...
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