You say Pros use much gear?

[Sheki]

Yeah, I hear people all over the place saying how the pros use 2000mg of Testo and couple that with 2000mg of other AAS too.

Personally I do not know if it is true or not, but what I can not understand is how they (if it is true) can stil feel normal and have the energy to workout and live a normal life year in and year out?

I have tried 1000mg+ Testo and other drugs... and I allways felt like shit, couldnt sleep and my bloodpressure was insane. Now if I took other drugs to counter these side-effects I geuss I could stay on those dosages for long, but then again my health wouldnt be all to good after a short couple of years. And how funny is it to take 5 other drugs just to counter the side-effects? Damn... what an life.

Ronnie and the other guys have been in the game for many many years... and this makes me wonder how they stil stay "healthy" if they are using these crazy dosages. I think that the best use moderate dosages, but do good stacks which are synergetic... and that they have good genetics and bust their ass in the gym and in the kitchen. PERIOD.

What you say guys?

[DocJ]

Part of being a pro is having an ability to tolerate high doses that would give most people health problems, it's just another extension of their superior genetics.

[PreMier]

Some do some don't, not every pro uses 2000-4000mg of test a week or stays on cycle all year. The high doses some use is more an act of desperation than a true need for such amounts.

[DocJ]

Originally Posted by PreMier

Some do some don't, not every pro uses 2000-4000mg of test a week or stays on cycle all year. The high doses some use is more an act of desperation than a true need for such amounts.

I know several pros and every single one says the same thing...reaching that level requires ever increasing doses. There's no way you can get there without them and there's no way you can improve at that level without increasing doses.

[PreMier]

Originally Posted by DocJ

I know several pros and every single one says the same thing...reaching that level requires ever increasing doses. There's no way you can get there without them and there's no way you can improve at that level without increasing doses.

I was fortunate enough to get to know several pros and most did huge complicated cycles but there were a few who used moderate amounts , but still cycles higher than I would ever do.

[DocJ]

Originally Posted by PreMier

I was fortunate enough to get to know several pros and most did huge complicated cycles but there were a few who used moderate amounts , but still cycles higher than I would ever do.

Yes, I don't doubt there are some pros who use lower doses than their fellow pros, I'm guessing they're probably not ranked in the top 10 though. If I were a pro honestly I wouldn't care if I didn't win any major shows...being able to just train, eat, sleep, guest pose and sign supplement endorsement deals would be satisfying enough for me

[BRICK]

I think the insulin, GH, and diuretics is what separates the pros. The physiques started to really change drastically in the early nineties which I believe was due to the intro of insulin and Gh in very hi doses. The bf levels are insanely low now. But like you guys are saying, the doses of AAS have increased too.

[hackskii]

Originally Posted by BRICK

I think the insulin, GH, and diuretics is what separates the pros. The physiques started to really change drastically in the early nineties which I believe was due to the intro of insulin and Gh in very hi doses. The bf levels are insanely low now. But like you guys are saying, the doses of AAS have increased too.

It does not stop there, IGF-1 is cheaper then GH right now.
Insulin will make you grow big time but you might get fat doing it.
They take T3 and insulin with GH, along with IGF-1.
They use stuff like DNP, clen, eph, all kinds of crazy stuff to strip off fat.
The list is pretty long.

I know a bunch of guys that compete and I see their cycles and some are very crazy in the amounts.
But on the other side of the coin, I have a buddy that does very low amounts and he has awesome genetics, man does he look awesome.
So I think gear will only take you so far, after that it is genetics.

I did know a black guy that was on tren and I think prop (he never admitted it) and he got the most size I have ever seen.
Overtraining and everything he grew everytime I saw him.
I never ever saw anyone grow like that and he wasnt even smart enough to add anything else (which was probably good).
So with that said growth potential on gear is even genetics.
I have seen other guys on gear and they had little growth, always kept saying that they needed to take more.
Hell, even the amount of androgen receptors is genetic.

[Sheki]

Yeah... it genetic all the way. I remember my first cycle that I did with 3 other fellows all of us were the same age and allways trained together. None of us ate pretty well, but we ate enough to gain weight. I did 500mg of Test and grew about 20lbs of muscle in 10 weeks, they did 750mg and 1000mg and grew barerely 10lbs. Now go figure.

Thats why I think some guys like Ronnie maybe do crazy dosages but stil its all in the genetics.

[DocJ]

It's also good genetics in the fact that they can tolerate those doses and not have HUGE health problems. The average user probably couldn't handle those amounts.