Are you willing to take years off of your life for a freaky physique?

[Scream in Pain]

Joe...you believe that 19-20 year olds should not use AAS? Let me ask you this, even if the 19 or 20 year old is well over 240lbs NATURALLY and has extensive knowledge in the field needed to perpetuate his expertise in action?
In short..you would prefer a 22 year old who is 185lbs to juice up, who's only been training for 6 months than a 19 year old who is 240lbs who's been training for 6 years?
Let me know the answer to this..I am curious.
I personally believe that if one feels ready for the stuff, and this "feeling of ready-ness" is backed up by a physical spectrum of strength and huge mass, not to mention extensive knowledge in all applications of nutritional and physical physiology under the deviation of the constructive mechanism of anabolism..then by all means, whip out that pin and begin shooting up the substances!

[abbott737373]

This is a very interesting post and I am sure that everyone here has thought, with or without medical evidence, that the rewards of using AAS outweigh their risks when used in an educated and moderate way. life is unpredictable and who is to say when it will be "your" time, so why not enjoy today as much as possible and look the way that you want to look. The same question could be asked to anyone that has ever smoked a ciggarette or drank a beer or stood too close to a microwave. I personally believe that AAS are not the enemy and when used correctly and with knowledge can greatly enhance ones life and the quality of that life without many if any side effects. I think this is a decision that we all make before we make that first order, or that first jab or swallow that first tab.

In regards to the statement above about age and AAS, age is a number and if you do your homework and educate yourself and have an extensive training backround then I would much rather have a younger person use drugs than an older person who doesnt know how to train and has no natural training backround but heard that steroids make you huuuuuuuuuuuge

ps. die big
die bald
dianabol

[solo47]

Originally Posted by Scream in Pain

Solo...answer my questions honestly:
You being 49 years old now...do you not have any desire to be 20 again?
You are happy with being 49, since you are in your own defined "Prime" point in your life now?
In that case...as a 20 year old surging with testosterone, I just cannot wait until im 49 and im sure all of the rest of us youth full of piss and vinegar cant wait to hit 50 too!
LOL!!!!!!!!

First of all, your math is bad. Who says I'm 49?

Why would I want to be 20 & stupid again?

Hell, I'm surging with testosterone right now. But I know how to drive the beast & where I'm going with it.

Wouldn't mind the body available to a 27 yr old, but only if I could retain the mind & heart — forged through years of bitter or cherished experience — that I have today.

Solo48 (soon!)

[joe5572]

If youre 240-- then why even bother???? Unless you are totally dedicating yourself to a life of bodybuilding- then go nuts. BUt you got that big naturally and youre natural test is STILL at a high in most cases at your age. Obviously in yours it is, since you are that big. Mental "ready-ness" as you call it doesnt hold water. And dont put words in my mouth telling me who I think should take AAS. I never saw in my post once that I said Id rather have someone else taking them. You dont need to post asking opinions- since you just shoot them down, like.... well, like a 19 yo!! I dont know you personally, so Im not going to take any shots at you-- but have fun with whatever you decide to do. And no-- 22 is still kind of young to start using IMO. Someone whos natural test has started to deplete-- like at 28 or older, depending on blood work, should possibly look into AAS if they are willing to put their body through it--. And it goes without saying that someone who is well read in the arena of AAS before using them is a must. I read and asked and STILL ask everytime I get a question. I was in the gym for 4 years, constantly trying to learn as much as I could about them before I used them for the first time at 28 yo. But again-- thats my OPINION.

[Scream in Pain]

I respect your opinion Joe...if you believe 22 is even too young, then believe it! But, if one wants to partake in the hardcore lifestyle of a bodybuilder, then one must dedicate himself to his body day and night, and that includes a LOT of drugs to begin with. Add constantlyu stuffing yourself with food, and working out to the point of passing out, most oridinary people will be immediately discouraged from attempting to proclaim any existence within that lifestyle. Me, personally, I cannot stand a normal job, working 8+ hours a day behind the desk, constantly kissing the managers' asses, as I degrade my body, sitting in front of that computer on that chair, chugging down meal replacement bar after another...hell, I'd rather have the life style of a bb'er where I can make the kitchen my office, and set up a nice kitchen table, and basically chug down meal after meal, as I prepare to pump iron...yeah..I want that lifestyle..no need to work...get all of the endorsement money needed, personal train people..give massages...it all compliments the bb'er lifestyle.
Did I forget to mention to you guys..im hearing impaired...I wear hearing aids. I feel that my hearing impairment greatly compliments my fundamental drive for muscle mass and strength, because it's my way of communicating to other people. I am no good at conversation...I suck with women....I am actually socially retarded....so in compensation, I will build this body beyond 260lbs by the summer begins, and I will get into street fighting to make some money, and maybe bounce at nightclubs. I have a strong desire to fight other guys, especially guys who are sucessful with women, of course, with their consent, or via hitting on THEIR girls at the clubs, in a hope to bait them onto me...but there's one problem...if I am going to be about 270lbs, who's going to pick a fight with me
Ah..anyways...had to get that off my chest...
I will post pictures of myself in the near future if you guys would be interested.
Later,
"An angered weightlifter"

[joe5572]

Whoa-- you wanted an "intellectual" talk with THAT attitude? Yikes!!! Kidding-- good luck

[liljunior]

I'm not really sure where this thread has gone....

If there was a question in this: "Are you willing to take years off of your life for a freaky physique? "

IMO:
I don't really think it does take years off my life being 5'11" 230lbs. but then again....I'm not freaky!!!
My 17yo brother is 6'4" 253lbs and has 12%bf all natual...I think hes pretty big and he is far fitter than I have ever been and I'm ex army.

My uncle is 310lbs 6'2" and hes pushing 60 with about 30% body fat...used to play Rugby League, and has been a farmer all his life...and still picks up 2 100kg bags of rice. But hey....I'm just pointing out that really...do we wanna be broken 75 year old guys who can't piss by themselves? I think the Arnie does all body builders justice....how old is he??

[Buff Diddy]

There's really no need to be using at such a young age. I think people should wait until the are about 24 with approx. 5 years of natural training until theeir belt. Sure taking them at that early of an age clearly separates you from the pack much more obviously than a few years later. But I think there's really no need since your body is pumping out shit loads of test anyway and all your going to do is shut that down. You could run the risk of stunting your growth at that age. It may be worth dyng a few years early for but not dying a few inches shorter than you could have been. Those are just the rules of thumb that I was told and stuck by. And your right about the time on time off game still being dangerous you have to keep in mind that a heavy cycle is going to take a larger toll than a light one. In reality a couple 2 month, mild to moderate cycles a year shouldn't have too much of a negative effect. I have heard of doctors vouching for this. Any more than this and you are probably shaving time off your lifespan. It's a risk that you can choose to take or not. I'm not saying I follow these rules by any means. I think its worth it to be a huge, ripped, freak with an awesome sex drive that feels great, oozing with confidence and aggression. Than joe average who lives 10 years longer.

[dvs33]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The're tens of thousands of documented deaths due to narcotics every year.....and only a hand full due to steroids over the last 30 years......so do the math....steroids 5 or 6 in 30 years...narcodics 500,000+ ....your post is tortal BS and has 0 medical research to back it up.

Agree.
Joe West I have to say bullsh1t bro.Sure what the pros are pumping into them selfs will most proberly fcuk them for life.But using AAS with conservative doses to help improve your performance in the gym and other areas of your life wont in my eyes have any long term adverse effects to how long you see the light in this world..Smoking in my eyes is by far a more deadly evil that AAS are.

To the thread starter.I think you should wait a few more years before jumping on.Learn how to train and eat properly first.Lay a good base and when you do start your gains will be alot more noticable and rewarding.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Scream in Pain

and I will get into street fighting to make some money, and maybe bounce at nightclubs. I have a strong desire to fight other guys, especially guys who are sucessful with women, of course, with their consent, or via hitting on THEIR girls at the clubs, in a hope to bait them onto me...but there's one problem...if I am going to be about 270lbs, who's going to pick a fight with me
Ah..anyways...had to get that off my chest...
I will post pictures of myself in the near future if you guys would be interested.
Later,
"An angered weightlifter"

Well, Solo, does this answer the question of whether you can be 19 with the wisdom you have now? LMMFAO!

I remember being young and wondering why adults hate children so much. Now I know.

FYI- A big body does not make you a fighter.

[solo47]

Originally Posted by Scream in Pain

I am no good at conversation...I suck with women....I am actually socially retarded....so in compensation, I will build this body beyond 260lbs by the summer begins, and I will get into street fighting to make some money, and maybe bounce at nightclubs. I have a strong desire to fight other guys, especially guys who are sucessful with women, of course, with their consent, or via hitting on THEIR girls at the clubs, in a hope to bait them onto me...but there's one problem...if I am going to be about 270lbs, who's going to pick a fight with me
Ah..anyways...had to get that off my chest...
I will post pictures of myself in the near future if you guys would be interested.
Later,
"An angered weightlifter"

I'm beginning to think this Scream in Pain psychotic post is a spoof.

If not...

Yep, Mr Grizz, there's no longer any question on being self-absorbed & stupid at 20, at least in this case. Nothing like excess steroid use to push someone over the edge who already is using aggression to compensate for his social failure!

But, wake up, S. in P., things today ain't like when I engaged in bouts of barroom brawling. I don't care if you're 300lbs of manmuscle: Ever hear of weapons? A hole in your chest looks just as bad whether you're a musclehead or someone's fat girlfriend.

Solo

[Joe West]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The're tens of thousands of documented deaths due to narcotics every year.....and only a hand full due to steroids over the last 30 years......so do the math....steroids 5 or 6 in 30 years...narcodics 500,000+ ....your post is tortal BS and has 0 medical research to back it up.

nice way to flame an intelligent debate.

listen kid: steroids and there use have negative effects, and im going to waste my time educating you a bit.

steroids enlarge your heart. steroids plus GH even more so. no medical evidence? how about looking through the old reports on this god damned site from about 4 years ago? the ones that used to be emailed to member. hell, im sure someof the old timers like me remember them.

steroids cause liver damage. i mean, my god are you so totally ignorant to not even know this common knowledge?

and how about all the posts even on here talking about the sudden jumps in blood pressure? yea, thats not dangerous or aything

as far as cholesterol: theres studies both ways on that. however, theres more and more evidence that cholesterol isnt even that major of a determining factor in heart disease. for someone who obviously thinks hes a doctor, you sure as hell arent current on matters like this.

and how about sex hormone binding globulin? that stays elevated for years after a cycle, which is a major reason why the second isnt as good as the first because alot of the test is being bound up.

the responsible guys on here get bloodwork done regularly because of the shit it can do to you.

lets be real: i understand where you are coming from. your first instinct is to show your ass, and your ignorance to be quite honest, whe someone says that test isnt the greatest thing ever. your objections are mostly political, with a smattering of mostly parroted outdated medical knowledgeto back it up.

and if you took the time to wipe the drool off your chin and look at my post, i said on a political level I AGREE WITH YOU. wanna go read it again just to make sure im not lying to you?

so, lets recap: ill make this as concise as i can to make sure you understand it: supra-physiological doses of test are not good for you. they are harmfull, they are risky, it is not something to be taken lightly. i would not suggest anyone i care about using them. but i dont agree with the nanny state bullshit and the current legality of them. you with me so far?

i didnt say anyting about TRT. as a matter of fact, i clearly let it be known what i was talking about when i said SUPRA-PHYSIOLOGICAL! for someone who wants to tell me i dont know what the fuck im talking about, you sure as hell dont seem to be able to decipher words over 2 syllables.

so, after you read over this a couple times, get back to me and let me know what your beef is.

[BobaLloyd]

Originally Posted by Scream in Pain

Most older guys I know, speak of nothing but their adventerous days in the youth. So, why not have something to be proud of for when you get older? You can say to the youngins in the future "I benched 500 pounds." and really mean it you know?

From what I've read here it looks like every body at one point or another either took the AS or didn't. That has to come down to a personal choise of which only you can make. When I was in high school, many years ago, I had to make the same choises you are making right now. After long concideration I decided not to take them but to just work as hard as I could to be the best that I could become. In my last year in HS I came in 6th place at the State finals. That was my best, and when I have told my kids the story of my youth they didn't care that I didn't get 1st place, they new I tried the hardest I could.

If you are as big as you say you are you should be able to reach your goals without them. Again far be it for me to tell you to take them or not but when you say to your youngins that you bench 500 LBS wouldn't you take more pride in it saying you were all natrual? Or if you decide to take them when you tell them your story will you include that you took AS?

[Joe West]

Originally Posted by deadl1ft

i can't believe you believe these hormones can shorten your life. look at the research, not the bullshit media, but actual research. man you got a lot to learn. the health benefits of AAS far outweigh the negatives. People die of heart disease and infections by the ton while AAS can keep you thin and heighten your immune system. any decrease in HDL rebounds right away but most don't seem to notice there is a decrease in LDL as well. And just by testimony alone, testosterone makes you feel young again. there is a reason this is high when you are young and falls as, one could argue, you are dying over time. Hormones keep many of lifes bodily functions operating properly.

once again, read what i said: i did not knock TRT. hell, i didnt even knock juicing your brains out oter than to say [gasp] it has some pretty severe risks, especially for some ppl.

but, lets not let facts get in the way of a good knee jerk rant.

who has alot to learn?

[Joe West]

Originally Posted by solo47

Some of us — like me! — are at the age when accepting fate & settling into senescence (the final countdown of elderhood) might seem the polite thing to do. Yet some of us — yes, like me! — look toward that slow, grim decline & spit, "O fuck all that!" I'll grow old when Nature makes me grow old. I'll do whatever I can to live with as much vigor as possible in the mean time, including hard workouts, AAS (& all kinds of ASS too, even with strangers), recreational pharmaceuticals, travel to dangerous places, & the glory of thinking for myself.

If this means I miss out on the years my 90 year old father is currently enduring (& wishing he wasn't) — mostly deaf, mostly blind, mostly confined to his wheelchair, looking forward to nothing but relief from this empty existence — then by all fucking means shorten my life by 5 or 10 years.

I'd rather live to the edge as long I have breath then wake up one morning old & realize I have never lived at all.

Solo

P.S.
[And if "scream in pain" thinks his beginner 20s are his best years, his narcissistic ignorance has just shown why they're not. Life is not really enjoyable until you take yourself out of the center of your field of vision. Egocentric bluster does not indicate a good period of anyone's life. I'd say the 40s are the peak, bit of humility & the wisdom of experience to light one's way.]

now heres a post i respect: he took me wrong, but didnt immediatly call me an idiot because he didnt like what im saying.

see, this guy knows theres risks and hes accepted them. hes gonna do his own thing and live life like he wants to. great.

and hell i agree with him. ill sign up for 85 today, but 95 you can keep, at least with the current health of most of those i know who are in there 90s.