Are you willing to take years off of your life for a freaky physique?

[Scream in Pain]

I assume the majority of you guys are aware that consistent, extensive, and moderate use of Anabolic steroids can and will probably shave a few years off of your life correct? The time on=time off principle applies here, because doing steroids 12 weeks on, followed by 12 weeks off in a continious fashion like that for a long time definitely has it's own consequences later on in life. ANybody disagrees with me, speak up, and in an intellectual tone, let's discuss this topic. I am not a steroid basher, I plan to juice up in a month or 2 when I hit the 240lb scale standing at a 5"9 and 13-14% BF. I personally believe that it's worth taking years off of your life because Testosterone, if used correctly, will elevate the superiority of its users on a physical scale. Sex drive will be incredible, feelings of intense well-being will be great, and rapid strength gains would be even greater! I am 19 years old, almost 20, and I believe because I am in my prime time of life (college, girls, youth) I want to make the most of my youth! Most older guys I know, speak of nothing but their adventerous days in the youth. So, why not have something to be proud of for when you get older? You can say to the youngins in the future "I benched 500 pounds." and really mean it you know?
Besides...future technology just might be able to extend our lives well into the 100's. I hold hope for the future
I need your opinions in this regard?

[Suns_PSD]

My opinion...I don't know nearly as much about ASS as most of the people on this site but I believe as with all things in Pharmacology that moderate use will have no long term effects. Including life span. Remember all things in life in moderation.

For the constant ASS users, I try not to judge, but ultimately, if your entire self worth is based on how massive you can get you probably don't feel very big inside. What I am saying is that if you really believe that trading your health to look big is a fair trade than your true problems are psychological. Seek counseling.

I hope I didn't offend anyone.

[thick]

lmao! i think u need to talk to grizzly. He is a guru when it comes to ASSES

As for AAS, i dont think u should use them if you arent making money off of their results. JMO and obviously most dont agree. I could see a small cycle or two /year as not really having any negative health effects but most totally over do it.[quote=Suns_PSD]My opinion...I don't know nearly as much about ASS

[getting big]

I go 6wks on and 3 months off or 3months on and 4to 6 months off. Couldn't be that bad, Plus you could get hit by a bus or die from a Plane crash. When it is time, it is time.

[Grizzly]

Honestly, you can't even make the claim that they shorten your life. Can't be proven. It's only a hypothesis because, if you die at 56, who's to say how long you were "supposed" to live.

But I get your point. However, there are numerous bodybuilders in their late 60's/early 70's who are not dead yet, which seems to indicate that judicious(if not even brazen) use of AS is not that deleterious to your health.

[Joe West]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

Honestly, you can't even make the claim that they shorten your life. Can't be proven. It's only a hypothesis because, if you die at 56, who's to say how long you were "supposed" to live.

But I get your point. However, there are numerous bodybuilders in the late 60's/early 70's who are not dead yet, which seems to indicate that judicious(if not even brazen) use of AS is not that deleterious to your health.

as much as id like to agree, we all know some old hippies still eating acid by the handsfull, and some of them of that age are damned near dead or are so.

your genetics dictate your tolerance to whatever. that however doesnt quantify safety.

but to say that supra-physiologial doses of test for fairly long period of times is without some fairly decent risk is wrong.

i gotta say i think its pretty funny that you hear alot of the same basic arguements for steroids as you do pot smoking.

bottom line is: yea, its risky and its not safe. it does damage you. while i dont agree with the legal status of steroids, no ones doing anyone favors by neglecting the risks involved.

the real question is the one posed in this thread: is it worht it to you to have a killer body now, in drop dead maybe 10 years younger? 5? just how much of your life is worth it? im not attempting to use a leading line of questioning here.

i think most of us here are a bit past the age of being able to get away with ignoring consequences.

i have a duality of thinking on this: while i dont agree with the legal status and the mommy govt aspect of banned substances, i sure as hell wouldnt encourage anyone i cared about to use drugs or steroids.

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Joe West

as much as id like to agree, we all know some old hippies still eating acid by the handsfull, and some of them of that age are damned near dead or are so.

your genetics dictate your tolerance to whatever. that however doesnt quantify safety.

but to say that supra-physiologial doses of test for fairly long period of times is without some fairly decent risk is wrong.

i gotta say i think its pretty funny that you hear alot of the same basic arguements for steroids as you do pot smoking.

bottom line is: yea, its risky and its not safe. it does damage you. while i dont agree with the legal status of steroids, no ones doing anyone favors by neglecting the risks involved.

the real question is the one posed in this thread: is it worht it to you to have a killer body now, in drop dead maybe 10 years younger? 5? just how much of your life is worth it? im not attempting to use a leading line of questioning here.

i think most of us here are a bit past the age of being able to get away with ignoring consequences.

i have a duality of thinking on this: while i dont agree with the legal status and the mommy govt aspect of banned substances, i sure as hell wouldnt encourage anyone i cared about to use drugs or steroids.

The're tens of thousands of documented deaths due to narcotics every year.....and only a hand full due to steroids over the last 30 years......so do the math....steroids 5 or 6 in 30 years...narcodics 500,000+ ....your post is tortal BS and has 0 medical research to back it up.

[deadl1ft]

i can't believe you believe these hormones can shorten your life. look at the research, not the bullshit media, but actual research. man you got a lot to learn. the health benefits of AAS far outweigh the negatives. People die of heart disease and infections by the ton while AAS can keep you thin and heighten your immune system. any decrease in HDL rebounds right away but most don't seem to notice there is a decrease in LDL as well. And just by testimony alone, testosterone makes you feel young again. there is a reason this is high when you are young and falls as, one could argue, you are dying over time. Hormones keep many of lifes bodily functions operating properly.

[solo47]

Some of us — like me! — are at the age when accepting fate & settling into senescence (the final countdown of elderhood) might seem the polite thing to do. Yet some of us — yes, like me! — look toward that slow, grim decline & spit, "O fuck all that!" I'll grow old when Nature makes me grow old. I'll do whatever I can to live with as much vigor as possible in the mean time, including hard workouts, AAS (& all kinds of ASS too, even with strangers), recreational pharmaceuticals, travel to dangerous places, & the glory of thinking for myself.

If this means I miss out on the years my 90 year old father is currently enduring (& wishing he wasn't) — mostly deaf, mostly blind, mostly confined to his wheelchair, looking forward to nothing but relief from this empty existence — then by all fucking means shorten my life by 5 or 10 years.

I'd rather live to the edge as long I have breath then wake up one morning old & realize I have never lived at all.

Solo

P.S.
[And if "scream in pain" thinks his beginner 20s are his best years, his narcissistic ignorance has just shown why they're not. Life is not really enjoyable until you take yourself out of the center of your field of vision. Egocentric bluster does not indicate a good period of anyone's life. I'd say the 40s are the peak, bit of humility & the wisdom of experience to light one's way.]

[Scream in Pain]

Originally Posted by Suns_PSD

My opinion...I don't know nearly as much about ASS as most of the people on this site but I believe as with all things in Pharmacology that moderate use will have no long term effects. Including life span. Remember all things in life in moderation.

For the constant ASS users, I try not to judge, but ultimately, if your entire self worth is based on how massive you can get you probably don't feel very big inside. What I am saying is that if you really believe that trading your health to look big is a fair trade than your true problems are psychological. Seek counseling.

I hope I didn't offend anyone.

I've had a few people tell me the exact same thing you are telling me now...that my obessive drive for a huge, massive freaky body is a compulsive drive that is in itself a psychological problem, and that I feel that I am not worthy on the inside. And you suggest I see counseling based on this observation. Okay...where do I start???
Why would I want to go to counseling to stop this drive of mass I have within me? I am a BODYBUILDER...my life revolves around how big I am going to get, how massive I am going to get, and finally how FREAKY I am going to get! Why in the world would I want to go to counseling based on something that I consider a true gift??!! A few people have this obsession like me, and I hate it when the people outside of this obsessive circle suggests I go to counseling...but I dont blame you. To oridinary people, unordinary people need help. That's like saying that the word "obsession" is used by the undedicated to describe the dedicated. In other words...you might as well tell me to go to counseling for weight training until failure...after all I am physically harming my body by forcing extreme weight upon my body, to the point of puking and screaming my ass off. Or why dont I go to counseling because I want 26" arms, or 35" quads??? After all I MUST be trying to fill in the missing space INSIDE of me eh? Yes, I do admit, I OBSESS 24/7 about me being a giant, massive muscular guy...and as a resulty of this obsession, I am 234.5 lbs standing at a short 5"9 without even juicing up...why?
Because I force feed myself,
Because I stay away from Booze and bad things
Because I train until absolute failure
Because I am a bodybuilder, a warrior....
driven with the obsession...the determination to be one big MOTHERF*CKER!
Phew...sorry for the rant...had to get that off my 49" chest

[Sheki]

Personally, I use AAS because it is necessery in my field of work. I would not use AAS, or atleast not in the dosages I use now if there was no monetary motives behind it all.

Will it shorten my life? Ofcourse. Do I think it is worth it? Ofcourse.

[joeycrabcakes]

Originally Posted by Sheki

Personally, I use AAS because it is necessery in my field of work.

and what line of work is it absolutely necessary to use? People WANT to use, they dont NEED to use. It is a drug, with medicinal purposes for those who REALLY NEED to use it.

p.s. sometimes i like to come at you guys from the other side!

[cinnabar8521]

Very well put! Glad to know I'm not the only one thinking it keeps getting better!

Originally Posted by solo47

Some of us — like me! — are at the age when accepting fate & settling into senescence (the final countdown of elderhood) might seem the polite thing to do. Yet some of us — yes, like me! — look toward that slow, grim decline & spit, "O fuck all that!" I'll grow old when Nature makes me grow old. I'll do whatever I can to live with as much vigor as possible in the mean time, including hard workouts, AAS (& all kinds of ASS too, even with strangers), recreational pharmaceuticals, travel to dangerous places, & the glory of thinking for myself.

If this means I miss out on the years my 90 year old father is currently enduring (& wishing he wasn't) — mostly deaf, mostly blind, mostly confined to his wheelchair, looking forward to nothing but relief from this empty existence — then by all fucking means shorten my life by 5 or 10 years.

I'd rather live to the edge as long I have breath then wake up one morning old & realize I have never lived at all.

Solo

P.S.
[And if "scream in pain" thinks his beginner 20s are his best years, his narcissistic ignorance has just shown why they're not. Life is not really enjoyable until you take yourself out of the center of your field of vision. Egocentric bluster does not indicate a good period of anyone's life. I'd say the 40s are the peak, bit of humility & the wisdom of experience to light one's way.]

[joe5572]

I just think at 19-20 years old- theres no need for AAS. But again-- thats my opinion and I think that AAS should be used by older users----

[Scream in Pain]

Originally Posted by solo47

Some of us — like me! — are at the age when accepting fate & settling into senescence (the final countdown of elderhood) might seem the polite thing to do. Yet some of us — yes, like me! — look toward that slow, grim decline & spit, "O fuck all that!" I'll grow old when Nature makes me grow old. I'll do whatever I can to live with as much vigor as possible in the mean time, including hard workouts, AAS (& all kinds of ASS too, even with strangers), recreational pharmaceuticals, travel to dangerous places, & the glory of thinking for myself.

If this means I miss out on the years my 90 year old father is currently enduring (& wishing he wasn't) — mostly deaf, mostly blind, mostly confined to his wheelchair, looking forward to nothing but relief from this empty existence — then by all fucking means shorten my life by 5 or 10 years.

I'd rather live to the edge as long I have breath then wake up one morning old & realize I have never lived at all.

Solo

P.S.
[And if "scream in pain" thinks his beginner 20s are his best years, his narcissistic ignorance has just shown why they're not. Life is not really enjoyable until you take yourself out of the center of your field of vision. Egocentric bluster does not indicate a good period of anyone's life. I'd say the 40s are the peak, bit of humility & the wisdom of experience to light one's way.]

Solo...answer my questions honestly:
You being 49 years old now...do you not have any desire to be 20 again?
You are happy with being 49, since you are in your own defined "Prime" point in your life now?
In that case...as a 20 year old surging with testosterone, I just cannot wait until im 49 and im sure all of the rest of us youth full of piss and vinegar cant wait to hit 50 too!
LOL!!!!!!!!