Is it legal??

[lastchance]

I know that in the US you can purchase pellets, BA/BB, serile oil and of course convert. At what point does it become illegal? Say for instance you have all the stuff to make MDMA(exstacy) you don't ever need to make it to be charged. Just having the precursors, equipment and a plan is considered "conspiracy to manufacture". Just the plan alone can become an overt act in the above example. Does the same theory apply to fina conversion?

Thanks
Respectfully,

LC

[powerhungry1]

there is a factual difference in your scenarios. illegal manufactures are usually charged with conspiracy because of the collaborative efforts of two or more parties. the posession of the precursors satifies the requirement that there be some act of the conspirators in furtherance of the conspiracy.

your hypo is different however because conversion doesn't involve an agreement between two or more persons to do something unlawful. To the contrary, the pellet suppliers are supplying legal product with the purpose they be used legally. kit suppliers are in a bit of a grey area, but lets assume the same would apply to them, that they are supplying for a legal use (indeed they try to insulate themself by saying items are only for lawful uses or reasearch).

i dont think the same could apply to conversion because there is no agreement. the charge would likely be attempted manufacture, which would require a substantial step beyond mere preparation with the intent to manufacture. So, having the items alone is likely not sufficient as these would be preparatory acts. One you commenced the conversion/extraction, you have your substantial step (beyond preparation) and legal liability would attach.

[lastchance]

that was what I was thinking, but welcome your insight. So once the pellets(in this case) begin any process. Bingo. A crime has been committed! Do you know if the minimum mandatory FCR applies to say 1ml or 1000ml? I guess what i am asking> at what amount does it get so serious it is just not worth it. If by chance you were converting say 100gms vs. 4gm.

[powerhungry1]

I'm sorry, I dont understand your last post about "minimum mandatory FCR" but I think you might be asking abount mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines???

If so, liability for attempted manufacture would accrue once someone began the conversion process, irrespective of the amount. If however, they completed the conversion, liability would likely be for possession and not attempted manufacture (though one could conceivably still be charged with manufacturing too).

As far as mandatory minimum sentencing, the guidelines would apply to both, though the severity of the sentence would be dependent upon the amount possessed (if conversion were accomplished) and/or the crime of attempted manufacture/manufacture standing in isolation.

[lastchance]

You answered perfectly.......OK......so for the record I have never or will never convert anything

I may posses........ I should go take my garbage to my neihbors

Thank hungry------Great info and big help!

[powerhungry1]

Of course you wouldn't... I knew you were just asking a hypothetical question. Welcome. .

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