Training Forum: This is a discussion on Any advice for a beginner? within the Bodybuilding forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; [font=Times New Roman][size=1] I'm only 16 years old, but I have been bodybuilding for almost a year now. I love ...
[font=Times New Roman][size=1] I'm only 16 years old, but I have been bodybuilding for almost a year now. I love the sport, but I try not to get to into training daily as to inhibit my vertical growth. I am currently 6' tall, 195 pounds, and I have appear to have stopped growing. My bench press max is only 195, but yet I can curl 150 on the EZ bar for one. Nutrition-wise I am only allowed to take my whey protein (I guess because of the danger relating to organ development). I can't decide whether to get a gym membership (I don't get my license for 3 months) or to add on to my home gym (so far I have a universal gym and a bench with preacher curl/leg attachment). As of now, I'm leaning towards getting a Smith Machine for squats ($249). Any advice?
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Invest in a squat rack with spotter bars and that you can also do pullups off of and a bench. That's all you need. Well, and some weights
Keep workouts simple: squats, chins, bench and their variations. Workouts are always under an hour. Three days a week should be enough. Keep weights high.
Eat a lot of clean food, sleep, and just eat a lot. You will grow.
I disagree... Workouts do not have to be under an hour.... I often lift for 1 1/2 hrs... and 4-6 days a week for working out is also fine. Especially if you want to run any kind of dual factor program. One thing I will agree on is keeping it simple. Stick to compound movements for the most part.
The food part is over rated.. If you're trying to gain a lot of size, you don't need to eat that clean.. just smart. You should look over this forum and decide for yourself what kind of program may suit you best.
There are a variety of pre canned programs.
Body building
1. HST
2. DFHT
3. DoggCrapp
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Powerlifting
4. West side
5. Metal Militia
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Originally Posted by Frosty
Invest in a squat rack with spotter bars and that you can also do pullups off of and a bench. That's all you need. Well, and some weights
Keep workouts simple: squats, chins, bench and their variations. Workouts are always under an hour. Three days a week should be enough. Keep weights high.
Eat a lot of clean food, sleep, and just eat a lot. You will grow.
Definitly go with a good power rack. Smith machines suck, and they tend to cause much more injuries than they prevent. And for god's sake.. Stop worrying about how much you curl. If you're working back and doing deads like your supposed to the bi's will take care of themselves.
I disagree... Workouts do not have to be under an hour.... I often lift for 1 1/2 hrs... and 4-6 days a week for working out is also fine. Especially if you want to run any kind of dual factor program. One thing I will agree on is keeping it simple. Stick to compound movements for the most part.
The protein supp thing is a little over rated, you just need to eat, and eat a lot. If you're trying to gain a lot of size, you don't need to eat that clean.. just smart. I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's not very accurate. If you don't mind, I'd like to suggest a good book for you to read and learn a lot from. It's called "Serious Strength Training" by Tudor Bompa. As far as stuff already cut and dried. You should look over this forum and see if there is something here that may suit your needs.
There are a variety of pre canned programs.
Body building
1. HST
2. DFHT
3. DoggCrapp
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Powerlifting
4. West side
5. Metal Militia
Ohhh .. I almost forgot..SOmetimes I will throw in a few sets of Hammer curls in here as well.. If I do, I usually add them right after bent over barbell rows.
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Most powerlifters train like this... And you don't need AAS to train this way.. Ask Freddy, Gavin, Or John Smith.
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AAS does make a difference.
Most people would burn out doing that. If a Navy Seal came here and said "I don't need drugs to do this training, so neither do you," I don't think we'd take him too seriously.
An effective 5x5 routine takes half an hour to do, so an hour and a half workout would be like a 15x5. Good luck doing that for more than two weeks.
uhhhh... I've been doing it for years. And so have a lot of the others here.
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Bodybuilding workouts should be kept under an hour. They're more anabolic and if you can workout for real for an hour and a half, then you're probably not working hard enough.
And just what do you base this statement on? Did you know that Arnold would train often times for 2-3 hour workout sessions? (I'm not saying that's the smartest thing to do..but 1 1/2 hours is really not over doing it. And as far as me not working out hard enough.. I guarantee you couldn't hang through a workout with Animal Mass, Gavin, Freddy, John Smith, Ish, Big Paul, Or myself. (guys who all train in very similar manner..and yes, we often train up to 1 1/2 hours
Seriously bro.. You should go read The john Smith and the dual factor stickies in this forum..
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"After an hour cortisol levels are very high, and if you go longer, it gets so high that the chance of anabolism is greatly reduced."
Would you care to post some evidence here showing that anything over an hour will cause this? I'd love to see the study..
An hour and a half is not outrageous.. And it certainly doesn't take "a lot of training to handle that kind of volume" I've seen too many guys that are new jump on DFHT with great succes for that to be true. and that workout lasts between 1 .25 and 1.5 hours each session...
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Ask Charles Poliquin for the study on it, because I don't have it. But he probably got the info from the numerous elite atheletes he works with.
Just because you know some guys that can do it does not mean it is a good idea for a bodybuilder or even a powerlifter, for that matter.
I know experienced lifters that burned out on Westside, so there is definitely a risk of burning out on a routine like that.
Most people can handle a 5x5 routine, though.
So you make some these statements..post no proof..and then expect me to go digging for your proof? ..lol...
"Just because you know some guys that can do it does not mean it is a good idea for a bodybuilder or even a powerlifter, for that matter."
Hmmm... well, just because you don't know any guys who can train like this doesn't mean that it's a bad idea for BB or PL's... You need to throw away that crap you've been reading in MF and Flex and read some real training info.
But anyway.. I know how you are when it comes to arguing..and I don't have the energy for it tonight.. I've worked a 50 hr week, and I've got to go out and spend some time with the little woman...so I'm just too beat.
i'm with phreezer on this one...maybe for the kid keeping it to under an hour is advisable but for other body builders an hour may be too restrictive....i do know bbers who train for under an hour with success but i have been very successful with my 1.25-1.5 hr program with continuous increases in strength and mass....and of course it is not just the training that causes that....when on gear i would train for 2-3 hours 6x per week....looking back i do not think it was an efficient use of time or training strategy but i could do it and make gains....
i just do not see how i could have the strength and size i have with 30 min workouts....nor can i imagine accomplishing anything with 6 sets per body part per week....the guys i see doing that are sticks....i do typically 8-12 sets per body part per workout and do not feel over trained...
natural test production is optimized with 40-60 minute workouts...anything longer does tend to reduce test levels....
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