Training Forum: This is a discussion on Back training within the Bodybuilding forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; These photos are very helpful. Is there anyway I can encourage you to post these pics + descriptions in personal ...
These photos are very helpful. Is there anyway I can encourage you to post these pics + descriptions in personal photo galleries? This would be awesome for everyone to easily reference them as needed.
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i love doing t-bar rows and bent over rows as well as the rest of what u do just not in that order
deadlifts
bent over rows
close grip chins weighted
t-bar rows
pull down
low rows
Good stuff on this thread. I like the JS Rows too. But for those of us who are sporting a broken lower back these days I've grown fond of the dumbell row. I do it in JS fashion though. I'll add these comments about back training: 1. because of the strength curve involved in compound back movements I think accelerated reps with free weights make most sense. That doesn't mean jerking. It means a controlled acceleartion on the positive with a slow negative. 2. To get past the neuro-fatigue factor of hard ass back work, I like to pack on some volume in my back routines with lower loads after the heavy stuff. In fact, I'll do more volume here than for any other muscle group. Otherwise, I don't feel a training effect. This is partly due to the lack of a good lat and terres major prestretch in pulling moves. That's different then say the chest that can get blasted with a handful of sets because of the extreme stretch you get in pressing.You'll find that after your hard pull movement, such as rows and weighted chins you'll get a muscle rebound effect on other lighter exercises, such as cable rows and pulldowns or even some unweighted pullups with different grips. I have found that this combination of heavy accelerated pulling (vertical and horizontal) followed by lighter and slower "finishers" such as unweighted chins, or some cable crap actually works well. Just my $.02
Good stuff on this thread. I like the JS Rows too. But for those of us who are sporting a broken lower back these days I've grown fond of the dumbell row. I do it in JS fashion though. I'll add these comments about back training: 1. because of the strength curve involved in compound back movements I think accelerated reps with free weights make most sense. That doesn't mean jerking. It means a controlled acceleartion on the positive with a slow negative. 2. To get past the neuro-fatigue factor of hard ass back work, I like to pack on some volume in my back routines with lower loads after the heavy stuff. In fact, I'll do more volume here than for any other muscle group. Otherwise, I don't feel a training effect. This is partly due to the lack of a good lat and terres major prestretch in pulling moves. That's different then say the chest that can get blasted with a handful of sets because of the extreme stretch you get in pressing.You'll find that after your hard pull movement, such as rows and weighted chins you'll get a muscle rebound effect on other lighter exercises, such as cable rows and pulldowns or even some unweighted pullups with different grips. I have found that this combination of heavy accelerated pulling (vertical and horizontal) followed by lighter and slower "finishers" such as unweighted chins, or some cable crap actually works well. Just my $.02
i believe with the JS row, it is said that there shouldn't be a slow negative at all, .. it's all about an explosive positive off the ground, no? did i misinterpret something from all the JS row gurus?
What kind've hand spacing should be used on these?
What about foot spacing?
I have three herniated discs in my lower back. L3-L4, L4-L5, and L5-S1. Can I still do these as long as I keep an arch in my back, or should I stray from them like the plague for awhile, until my discs fix themselves?
I assume you're talking about the rows? If so, then foot placement is roughly shoulder width. Inside shoulder width, not outside shoulder width. Hand placement is wide. You pinkie, maybe even wider if you want, should be on the rings on the bar.
great instructional pics 
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