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Hey Phreez. Everything you said makes sense, but I have one question. Can you drink winny? Just trying to lighten the mood up in here a bit.
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What I AM saying is that you don't need do do a full assault with an arsenal of 8 different exercises from every concievable angle to work the SAME muscle. You can't take a marker, divide your chest up into 6 different pieces and strategically work each little piece! Instead, you can pick up something like 5x5 flat bench, then 2-3 x 10 incline DB, and move on to another bodypart...Essentially working your pectoral muscle as a whole.There's a lot of things to take into account such as frequency, set/rep schemes, ect. Something like Bill Starr's 5x5 features flat bench twice a week, once ramping up to a top set of 5, once 5 sets of 5 with the same weight. You could do inclines instead of flat one day as per AM's version. If you got an adequate amount of volume and frequency with 1-2 compound lifts, in this case flat and incline or decline bench, you certainly won't need cable crossovers or incline DB flyes to work your "inner-upper" pecs, especially since there really is no such thing.
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I totally agree on the volume thing in Arnold's book. I took one look at that shit and knew there was no way in hell I was going to do that to my body. I just do three movements right now at about three or four sets a piece and I can tell that the benefit I get from the last few sets is not as good as quality as the first few were. I'm beginning to see where you guys are coming from though. First problem is the mass mentality. I simply can't have anymore than what I already have right now. Second is coming from both ends. You're right the smith machine is a bad analogy. But I'm NOT trying to work my pecs in isolation! I just want inefficient stimulation. Meaning that I neglect the greater area of the pectorial muscle. I realize that the desire to do that doesn't make sense to big un's like phreez and grizz, but you have to remember that weight lifting is not my sport, it is a hobby that has improved my sport. And the demands of my sport, sadly, take precedent over the most effective way of gaining mass. However, honestly, my question has been more of one of vanity than anything else. So, thanks for all the input. You guys have confirmed what I was already noticing, that our muscles grow in a predetermined shape, and there is now way to influence their grow in the way of implementing controls. And, in a few years, when I get ready to move on to something else, and I have the freedom to get as big as I want to be, then you guys will have already helped me shed some old dogma's... even you phreezer Asshole!
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I got curious and had a look for myself ,here is an interesting link about the anatomy of the chest, http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Anatomy/Chest.htm Last edited by jasthace; 09-29-2006 at 09:16 PM. |
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I agree that you cannot isolate "inner" and "outer" pecs. The fibers contract horizontally so to speak. But, the pec major has one insertion and two attachments: sternum and clavical. These attachment sites allow the pec to pull the arm across the chest accross and accross and down in the case of of the lower chest and accross and up in the case of the upper chest. Just look at how the fibers run and you can see. I agree that you cannot fully isolate these two heads of the chest, but they can be stressed. Also, different angles and exercises employ different fiber recruitment patterns and are thus important for full development and to avoid accomodation. |
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OK, first off this has been a great read and would love for this "argument to continue, as long as we are adult about it, I think both parties are giving really good points. But the problem is i'm stuck wondering. As I don't see a real answer here. I have read the articule by Chris Mason on the top five bodybuilding myths. A good read but as I finished I found myself wondering who the author is? Is he reputable? How does he know or is this just "one mans opinion" I also did alot of looking up of muscles and the one chart I seen had me wondering could one hit the Claviclular head developing it then doing excersises for the Sternal head, developing it? if so would that not constitute for the "upper and lower pec" so to speak. I know its not the "upper and lower or inner pec" but maybe thats whats confusing. Again I thank you all for this intresting read and would like to learn more. So lets play nice and keep this thread alive.
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I'm not too sure about who Chris Mason is. I think he works for atlargenutrition. I think he makes a lot of sense in his articles. The other one was authored by Joe DeFranco, and obviously he knows his shit, lending a lot of credibility to his article about "isolationalism". His article wasn't on chest, but it's the same exact train of thought. Here's his bio: Quote:
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