chest injury?

[juggernaught]

well i am a little nervous as some of you know I have had some significant injuries in the past (two ruptured tricep tendons one each arm) I have been back training hard for over a year now since my last surgery. Due to my injuries i adjusted my routines for chest shoulders and tris to include numerous supersets to diminish the amount of weight i would need to get a hard workout.For chest i have been doing pre exhaust supersets of machine flys 5x20 with machine chest press 5x20 then I will hit a flat bench or incline bech supered with dips or hammer chest press.
last night I was on my fith set of 355 feet up paused benchs had gotten a great workout so far had hit 10-10-10-8 when i lowered the bar for my last set i felt a strong buring pain in my left outer pec at the deltoid tie in.I had my spotter help me rack the weight and took it easy rest of night.This morning I am still having some discomfort in that area but no obvious deformity.
I plan on taking the rest of week off from chest but do you think i can still hit back bis and legs?

[jasthace]

Can you lift your arm alright,without any discomfort and achieve your normal full range of motion?

[juggernaught]

no pain on just moving arm through normal range of motion but tender in armpit and ached off and on through out day

[jasthace]

It sounds more likely a strain than a tear.
You;ll have to wait a couple too three days to be sure,if its a tear the blood will surface {bruising}

You want to get some therapy on it.
ice pack
Heat and massage
Arnica creme

Not all at the same time

Take it easy,you're going to have to evaluate it yourself.
Give it the time.

What supplements are you using?

[Thickneck]

What I have had many times is tendonitus in the pec / shoulder ,tie in tendons under the arm pit . See if it hurts next time doing chest or shoulders , you have to take some time off of training them both, till they get better. Most times just flat chest training . Try inclines i got away with training chest with that . Sounds like tendonitus imo. Most times i could do shoulders with no pain...........

[juggernaught]

im on cycle
500 test eth
400 deca
each week
also using 50 mcg igflr3 bilateraly 4 times a week
taking joint repair supps as well

[juggernaught]

Originally Posted by Thickneck

What I have had many times is tendonitus in the pec / shoulder ,tie in tendons under the arm pit . See if it hurts next time doing chest or shoulders , you have to take some time off of training them both, till they get better. Most times just flat chest training . Try inclines i got away with training chest with that . Sounds like tendonitus imo. Most times i could do shoulders with no pain...........

im pretty sure its a strain , i am very familiar with tendonitus as neglecting that is what led to my ruptured left and right triceps.
It is very sore in the outer left pec shoulder tie in today , but no bruising or blood visable on surface.

[jasthace]

Originally Posted by juggernaught

im on cycle
500 test eth
400 deca
each week
also using 50 mcg igflr3 bilateraly 4 times a week
taking joint repair supps as well

These kind of injuries happen when you get rapid strength gains.
The power is there but the muscle integrity hasn't stepped up as fast

[juggernaught]

thats whats weird i have been useing weights much greater then this in the past the only thing diferent is im doing the pre exhaust before i bench .I think it was overstressing of the muscle due to the last 13 months of starting my workout with 5 sets of fyes supersetted with maching chest presses .I have more muscle mass then i have ever had before in my life right now im weighing about 280 17% bf just started my summer cut .
in 12-04 i was benching 535 for raw competition singles and during training i ruptured my left triceps from chronic tenonitus
in 10-06 i was benching 405 for sets of 6-10 then i ruptured my right tricept from the damage i had previously incurred from the chronic tendonitus.
Both had to be surgically repaired

[juggernaught]

Originally Posted by jasthace

These kind of injuries happen when you get rapid strength gains.
The power is there but the muscle integrity hasn't stepped up as fast

I appreciate your input bro thank you

[jasthace]

Originally Posted by juggernaught

thats whats weird i have been useing weights much greater then this in the past the only thing diferent is im doing the pre exhaust before i bench .I think it was overstressing of the muscle due to the last 13 months of starting my workout with 5 sets of fyes supersetted with maching chest presses .I have more muscle mass then i have ever had before in my life right now im weighing about 280 17% bf just started my summer cut .
in 12-04 i was benching 535 for raw competition singles and during training i ruptured my left triceps from chronic tenonitus
in 10-06 i was benching 405 for sets of 6-10 then i ruptured my right tricept from the damage i had previously incurred from the chronic tendonitus.
Both had to be surgically repaired

Wow those are some hefty weights.

Yeah but ths is the mistake that we make
Trying to get up too fast to our previous maximums
The stress comes at the bottom of the movement with the explosion up.{if there's a slight bounce in there it can be detrimental}
I pulled my pec last year.
Now days I dare'nt go over 242lbs,thats when I need the explosive power.
So I just do sets of 8-10 of 242 on flat bench then go to decline dumb bells,and other shaping exercises
Its still improving my physque though,so I'm happy.
I hold more muscle now than I used to as well, so I now what you are saying

[juggernaught]

Originally Posted by jasthace

Wow those are some hefty weights.

Yeah but ths is the mistake that we make
Trying to get up too fast to our previous maximums
The stress comes at the bottom of the movement with the explosion up.{if there's a slight bounce in there it can be detrimental}
I pulled my pec last year.
Now days I dare'nt go over 242lbs,thats when I need the explosive power.
So I just do sets of 8-10 of 242 on flat bench then go to decline dumb bells,and other shaping exercises
Its still improving my physque though,so I'm happy.
I hold more muscle now than I used to as well, so I now what you are saying

its a pain in the ass!!! lol i worked up so slow i litera;y did a month at 315 then moved up 10lbs a month didnt feel like i was pushing hard either.
oh and i never bounce i always pause each rep at bottom before i press

[jasthace]

Hows the injury looking?

[juggernaught]

Originally Posted by jasthace

Hows the injury looking?

not to bad i can kind of hear it when i do a fly motion with that arm.
havent trained chest again yet going to give it a full week to heal and see how it goes i might take another week off if it needs it

[juggernaught]

took a week and a half off and all is good had two great chest work outs

[jasthace]

Originally Posted by juggernaught

took a week and a half off and all is good had two great chest work outs

Wow it's a miracle!
How are you going to minimize the chance of that injury again?

[iluvdeadlifts]

Stick to DB work for a week or two, making sure the DB touches your shoulder, take a 2 second pause at the bottom of the movemenrt as well, recruitmore fibers this way but you'll have to lower the weight. Good for getting strength back up too. Incline should be less painful than flat or decline as well, that always worked for me

ilds

[juggernaught]

LOl im doing pretty much what deadlift is recomending, my gyms db,s only go up to 160's so i dont have to worry about going to heavy.I have also adjusted my work out i am still doing my pre exhaust for chest but i have dropped the weight and increased the reps as well as slowing down the movement to take 10 seconds for each rep.
Thanks for your help guys

[iluvdeadlifts]

Sorry Juggernaught, one last thing, best grip to use on the DB's is semi supinated (palms facing each other) this works the front delt less that a supine grip. Hope it all gets better man, injuries suck!

ilds

[juggernaught]

Originally Posted by iluvdeadlifts

Sorry Juggernaught, one last thing, best grip to use on the DB's is semi supinated (palms facing each other) this works the front delt less that a supine grip. Hope it all gets better man, injuries suck!

ilds

yeah i used to use that grip alot but i find now it puts to much stress on my triceps tendons and i start getting worried of reinjuring them.