cutting up

[moneyman]

Hey guys im about to try and lose some fat before i really hit the gym hard but im not sure what supplements i should use (no gear ). I know there are a lot of stuff out there but i dont want to waste my money on crap. Can some 1 please help with this. TY

[Grizzly]

Hitting the gym hard would be the best supplement for losing weight. Honestly.

[thick]

eca and creatine are two proven supplements. DIet and weight training are much more important though. Like the hairy honey lover said

[moneyman]

Originally Posted by thick

eca and creatine are two proven supplements. DIet and weight training are much more important though. Like the hairy honey lover said

ECA ??? whats that???

[thick]

ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin. Debatable on the need for aspirin. Some experts say yes some say no. I am personally out of date and no opinion one way or the other on it. do a search on eca on this sight and you will find a lot of info. Dont focus too much on this stuff. It wont help much if your diet and training is off.

p.s. There are other guys on here who are currently cutting. BS has been dieting and losing a lot of weight. Check out his sticky Lets get this rolling or whatever. Not sure if he was using any stimulants or not. He is more up to date than me on the best products out now.

Originally Posted by moneyman

ECA ??? whats that???

[moneyman]

Originally Posted by thick

ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin. Debatable on the need for aspirin. Some experts say yes some say no. I am personally out of date and no opinion one way or the other on it. do a search on eca on this sight and you will find a lot of info. Dont focus too much on this stuff. It wont help much if your diet and training is off.

p.s. There are other guys on here who are currently cutting. BS has been dieting and losing a lot of weight. Check out his sticky Lets get this rolling or whatever. Not sure if he was using any stimulants or not. He is more up to date than me on the best products out now.

ok Ty man will do

[AndroIron]

Ephedrine and caffiene are the most important parts of the ECA stack. Asprine is only added for its blood thining properties. It is really the ephedrine that is the key here because it downregulates the beta receptors which latch onto fat and make it such a bitch to get rid of. Caffiene and asprine are added in for energy and their syngeristic effects, in other words they help the ephedrine work better. Another benefit is that this stuff gives you lots of energy, if your like me and hate cardio this stuff will get you in the mood. Plus it supresses appetite. It is worth mentioning that an ECA stack will raise your heartrate and constrict your arteries, thus increasing blood pressure, it isnt to dangerous but the FDA thinks that the American public needs a babysitter, just keep that in mind if you have a heart or blood pressure issues, probally better not to take it. But like Thick said, it is really no substitute for working out, the best way to burn fat is to increase lean muscle mass, it burns cals like a furnace.

[moneyman]

Originally Posted by AndroIron

Ephedrine and caffiene are the most important parts of the ECA stack. Asprine is only added for its blood thining properties. It is really the ephedrine that is the key here because it downregulates the beta receptors which latch onto fat and make it such a bitch to get rid of. Caffiene and asprine are added in for energy and their syngeristic effects, in other words they help the ephedrine work better. Another benefit is that this stuff gives you lots of energy, if your like me and hate cardio this stuff will get you in the mood. Plus it supresses appetite. It is worth mentioning that an ECA stack will raise your heartrate and constrict your arteries, thus increasing blood pressure, it isnt to dangerous but the FDA thinks that the American public needs a babysitter, just keep that in mind if you have a heart or blood pressure issues, probally better not to take it. But like Thick said, it is really no substitute for working out, the best way to burn fat is to increase lean muscle mass, it burns cals like a furnace.

Wasnt there a bigg thing about Ephedrine ?? and the problems it may cause??

[thick]

the risk is very minimal. you would have to susceptible to it.A few big cases of abuse has caused all the problems. Think of how many thousands use it with great results. Like the above said, watch your bp etc. Some people arent cut out for supps

Originally Posted by moneyman

Wasnt there a bigg thing about Ephedrine ?? and the problems it may cause??

[moneyman]

Originally Posted by thick

the risk is very minimal. you would have to susceptible to it.A few big cases of abuse has caused all the problems. Think of how many thousands use it with great results. Like the above said, watch your bp etc. Some people arent cut out for supps

dont get me wrong i used Ephedra before in hydroxycut but not its free of Ephedra so now where can i find it ???

[Turbo1]

Just do a search on Google or check the threads on here...Many sites still over EPhedra. But gotta hurry fast cause its about banned. Check out www.bulknutrion.com i just order the Vasopro Ephedrine HCL and ProLabs caffine pills...got 3 of each i think and came to 55 with shipping

[Biggriz]

Without proper training and a good nutrition plan, you'll be wasting your money!