Training Forum: This is a discussion on DFHT REVISITED!!! (New and updated)... within the Bodybuilding forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; OK guys,
Over the last couple years I have had lots of guys try out DFHT and make really good ...
Over the last couple years I have had lots of guys try out DFHT and make really good progress. However, it wasn't a perfect system (nothing ever is), and most of it's problems lied in two distinct areas:
1) There was too much daily volume.
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2) It was too rigid and too complex, making it hard to follow and too easy to bastardize.
So I've done some work and come up with somethign very similar but what I believe to be a better version; with more options (less rigid) and manageable volume. (Manageable might be the right word here as I know some of you guys go nuts with volume - but I believe this to be a more optimal volume for the average guy looking to put on quality muscle.
Now I will say that much of this updated version has roots in strength training, but I've also found that there is a real need for strength development amoung bodybuilders.
HOWEVER, this program is made for guys who's first goal is to put on mass and who's second goal is to get strong.
I will present another, slightly different program in the next few days for those who's primary goal is strength, with size being a secondary goal.
Also, before getting into the updated program let me say this...If you can't squat AT LEAST 1.5x your bodyweight Olympic Style, butt sitting on your heels, then you need to be doing JS's 5x5 program coupled with his 8 week squatting program (they work together). Over the last couple years I have become good personal friends with JS and have had the opportunity to train with him. The 5x5 is hands down the best mass and strength builder for beginner to intermediates out there. Even most of JS's elite level athletes and many of us elite level powerlifters use the 5x5 for some time during the year to get back to building slabs of mass and give us a break from the really heavy stuff we do. It's just a good, solid, unmatched program for beginners to upper level intermediates who desperately need to pack on mass and get much stronger in the core lifts. (On a side note, I will add my take on the 5x5 and how someone who is not a strength athlete might tweak it a tad for maximum hypertrophy.)
Now, when you get to the point when you can squat double your bodyweight raw Olympic Style ATF, then you really won't be able to handle squatting 3 times per week anymore because the overall volume and load is increased so much. So, both JS and myself advocated dropping the squatting to twice per week; one heavy and one lighter (but still really hard work). This is where DFHT comes into play.
So, to reiterate:
1) If you can't easily squat 1.5x your bodyweight Olympic style, all the way down, then you need to be doing the 5x5.
2) Once you can easily squat 1.5x your bodyweight Olympic style and your goal is primarily size and secondary strength, then you are ready for DFHT.
3) However, a major issue with DFHT is loading and unloading phases. The fact is, until you become an upper level intermediate lifter, there is little need for planned loading and unloading phases. When you get to the point where you can squat 2x+ your bodyweight and bench 1.5x your bodyweight, then you might begin experimenting with loading and unloading weeks.
4) Regardless of what program you are on, (be it 5x5, DFHT, or something else) you need to be eating;... ALOT. When mass is the goal, eating is as important as the training. Eat every 2-3 hours and get plenty of protein in every meal.
Upper Body Workout One: 1./// Barbell Bench Press: (flat or incline, primarily wide grip, hypertrophy reps; ex. 4x10 with the same weight for each set) 2./// Dumbell Press (flat, incline, or decline for 3x8-12 same weight) 3./// Horizontal Lat Work (Barbell JS Rows, 5x5) 4./// Shoulders/ Traps (emphasis on medial delts - Shrugs, High Pulls, Dumbell Cleans, Lateral Raises, Shoulder Horn, Face Pulls – pick 1-2 exercises for 4-6 sets total) 5./// Tricep Extension (skull crushers, French presses, JM Presses, rolling dumbbell extensions, Tate Presses, Pushdowns – pick one exercise for 3x10-12) 6./// Biceps (1-2 exercises, 3-5 sets total)
Lower Body Workout One: 1./// Heavy Squats (butt to ankles, 5x5 working up each set to a 5rm, or try for a 3rm or even an occasional 1rm) 2./// Goodmornings (3x5 same weight or work up to 5rm) 3./// Pullthroughs (3-5 sets of 10-12, some arched back, some rounded back) 4./// Glute Ham Raises or Hamstring Curls followed by Leg Extensions (2 sets each) -or-
4./// Leg Presses (3-4 sets of 10-12) –or- Occasionally a Hack Squat (for 3-4x10-12) 5./// Weighted Abs/ Obliques (5x10 total – weighted situps, ab pulldowns on high cable or with bands, dumbbell side bends, etc.) 6./// Calves (most of you know what works best for your calves)
Upper Body Workout Two: 1./// Flat Barbell Bench Press (close or regular grip – heavy work 1rm, 3rm, 5rm, or 5x5) 2./// Board Press/ Floor Press (5rm usually start where you left off on bench press) 3./// Overhead Press (Standing military press, push press, dumbbell overhead press – various rep schemes – 5rm, 5x5, 4x10) 4./// Dips (2-3 sets) 5./// Vertical Lat Work (Lat Pulldowns or Pullups – 5+ sets – if on lat pulldown use different bars and work different planes) 6./// Tricep Extension ((skull crushers, French presses, JM Presses, rolling dumbbell extensions, Tate Presses, Pushdowns – pick one exercise for 3x10-12) 7./// Biceps (1-2 exercises, 3-5 sets total)
Lower Body Workout Two: 1./// Lighter Squats (back squats or front squats for 5x5 or 4x10 with the same weight) 2./// Deadlifts (conventional deadlifts or deadlifts standing on 2-3” box, mat, or 100lb plate - 1rm, 3rm, 5rm, or 3x5 same weight, ) 3./// Pullthroughs (3-5 sets of 10-12, some arched back, some rounded back) 4./// Glute Ham Raises or Hamstring Curls followed by Leg Extensions (2 sets each) 5./// Weighted Hyperextensions (2-3x10-12 ) 6./// Weighted Abs/ Obliques (5x10 total – weighted situps, ab pulldowns on high cable or with bands, dumbbell side bends, etc.) 6./// Calves (most of you know what works best for your calves)
As far as the loading and unloading issues are concerned - for the time being, just read the old DFHT thread to try and grasp that, although I'm working on revamping that as well to make it better understandable.
Also, I will try and explain certain specifics regarding this program, but as you look over the split, please feel free to ask any questions so that I might make it more understandable.
Awesome, detailed information. I will be starting this program in about an hour when I head off to the gym. I had something similar set up to this (in relations to me rehabbing my slightly torn pec injury) and I think I'm ready, albeit slowly, to begin lifting a sensible weight training program.
Awesome. Hey, do us all a favor, and keep a training journal on a seperate thread so that we can see your progress. Make sure you post your current weight, height, bodyfat estimate, and some basic measurements: i.e. - chest, arms, and thigh.
I have a question about wearing a belt. i never wear one cause i have been told by many people that wearing one prevents proper development of core strength. however i have been doing the 5x5 program for a bit now. on my last set of 5 i am squatting about double my body weight. Nothing special but sometimes i am straining/pulling muscles in my back. Maybe a belt would help this?
Yes, good question zadok. Basically you don't want to wear a belt until you get to the point where you can squat 2x your bodyweight. Same goes for deadlifting. Unless you are pulling 500+ don't wear it.
But at this point, I think it would be fine to put it on for your heavier sets.
AM, so the workouts are to be done every other day like Monday, Wednesday & Friday, right? The program looks AWESOME by the way!!! I'll DEFINITELY give it a try!!!!!
Also, this should give you a bit of an overview on dual factor programming...
“There are basically two accepted theories in the world of weight training. One is called Supercompensation (or Single Factor Theory), and the other is called the Fitness Fatigue Theory (or Dual Factor Theory – This comes from Zatsiorski’s Science and Practice of Strength Training book). Bodybuilding tends to follow the Supercompensation way of thinking, while virtually every field of strength and conditioning, athletics, etc. follows the Dual Factor Theory. The reasoning that almost everyone involved in strength training adheres to the Dual Factor Theory is because there is scientific proof that it works, not to mention that the eastern bloc countries that have adhered to this theory have dominated at the Olympics over the United States for nearly 5 decades now (well, up until the fall of communism).
The Supercompensation Theory has been, in the bodybuilding community, the most widely accepted school of thought. However, people are beginning to see it as a bit too simplistic (the strength and conditioning and athletic movements have never accepted this practice). The theory itself is based on the fact that training depletes certain substances (like glycogen, and slowing protein synthesis). Training is seen as catabolic, draining the body of its necessary nutrients and fun stuff. So to grow, according to the theory, the body must then be rested for the appropriate/ optimal amount of time, AND, it (the body) must be supplied with all the nutrients it lost. If both of these things are done correctly, then theoretically your body will increase protein synthesis and store more nutrients than it originally had! (i.e. – your muscles will be bigger!)
So obviously the most important part of this theory is TIMING! (Specifically concerning the rest period). But that's where the problem comes in. "If the rest period was too short, then the individual would not be completely recovered and as such the training would deplete the substance even more, which over a period of time would result in overtraining and a loss of performance. If the rest interval were too long then the training would lose its stimulus property, and the individual would recover completely and lose the window of opportunity to provide the stimulus again. If the interval is optimal then improvements surely follow.”
"So, given the one factor theory (Supercompensation), which looks at physical ability as, of course, one factor, you are left with the problem of timing workouts to correspond to the supercompensation wave... anything sooner or later will lead to a useless workout.”
Another issue concerning the Supercompensation/ Single Factor Theory is that of FAILURE. Almost every program that utilizes this type of training advocates the use of muscle/ CNS failure, and then fully rest, and then beat the crap out of your muscles again, then rest, etc (I'm referring to the "work one bodypart per day, six days per week" program as well as HIT, popularized by Mike Mentzer). The issue is that it has now been proven that total failure is not necessarily needed for optimal growth. It has been shown that leaving a rep or two in the tank can and will yield the same results AND therefore a shorter rest period will be needed and less accumulation of fatigue will still be present by the time the next training session rolls around.
A Better Way…
The Dual Factor Theory, also called Fitness Fatigue Theory is somewhat more complex than the Supercompensation Theory. The theory is based on the fact that and individual's fitness and fatigue are totally independent of each other. This theory is entirely dependant on one's base conditioning (or physical preparedness or fitness). The thing is, when you have a high level of fitness (or conditioning/ preparedness) this level changes fairly slowly. This is because over the short term fitness does not fluctuate often. (However, fatigue can change (increase or decrease) fairly quickly when compared to fitness).
"The theory works like an equilibrium in that training will have an immediate effect on the body (similar to supercompensation). This effect is the combination of fatigue and gain (again, remember the equilibrium thing). So after a workout, because of the stimulus that training provides, preparedness/conditioning/fitness increases (gain) but at the same time will decrease due to fatigue from the training."
"So, the outcome of the training session is the result of both the positive and negative consequences of the training session. These two outcomes depend on time. By striking the correct balance, fatigue should be large in extent but short in how long it lasts. Gain on the other hand should be moderate, however, and is longer in duration. Typically the relationship is 1:3, if fatigue lasts x amount of time then gain lasts 3x amount of time."
"Given the two factor theory, which separates physical fitness or preparedness and fatigue, you see that the timing of individual workouts is unimportant to long term gains (unlike Supercompensation)... in other words regardless of whether or not fatigue is or is not present, fitness can and will still be increased" (which is the goal)...
So what you get concerning the two-factor theory is a period of peaking fatigue (maybe 2-6 weeks), followed by a period of rest (maybe 1-2 weeks deloading, then one or two weeks of total rest). You view entire weeks and maybe months, as you would have viewed just one workout with the single factor theory. For example, in the single factor theory, one workout represents a period of fatigue. – But, in the two-factor theory, 2-6 weeks would represent a period of fatigue. In the single factor theory, a day or two (up to a week) represents a period of rest. But in the two-factor theory, up to four weeks may represent a period rest.
"What is important to note is that there is almost universal agreement among scientists and athletes and coaches in all sports EXCEPT bodybuilding that the two factor theory is correct and the single factor theory is not correct and is in fact suitable only for beginners to follow when planning training."
"It is also important to note that most athletes in most sports are experiencing some level of constant fatigue ALWAYS, except for maybe a couple of weekends a year, when they are peaking. Training takes place daily against a backdrop of fatigue". Therefore, you should be able to see why, concerning the single factor theory, it would be very hard to ever fully recover, unless you sat on your ass for two weeks and did nothing."
The important things to understand is this...
1) Each training session exerts both postive (gain) and negative (fatigue) aspects. Instead of thinking of each training session as fatigueing and then the next 6 days as recovery, begin to think of entire periods of training as fatigueing or recovery.
2) Obviously then the most important thing is to understand how long and how hard to "load" during the fatigueing phases and how long and how much to "deload" or "unload" during the recovery phase, which will be before a competition.
”Most people get stuck in a rut in training. bodybuilders for example often get stuck in the one time per week per bodypart rut, and that determines how many sets they do, the intensity they use, etc. since they are not going to change frequency, they end up not changing much over time.”
”It is my belief that the overall stress on the body must change week to week, and periods of very high stress must be incorporated periodically into training, periods of stress so high that you can only keep it up for between a week to 3 weeks, any more than this and you would run yourself into the ground. Research shows that these periods of very high stress have a powerful effect on the body, making it more able to handle subsequent high stress training up to a year after the initial loading period.”
”Once you are no longer a beginner, your body simply does not respond well to "average" training... people make progress still, but often it is because they gradually up the training stress to a point that is result producing without any clear plan... and this leads to lost training time because the buildup to this required stress level takes too long, and then often the high stress levels are continued for too long, leading to high performance followed by lower performance for a while because of inadequate restoration.”
”If you allow from the start that that you are going to have to take your body to the edge at least once every training cycle, you can plan when you do it, and how long you have to recover from it, you can have shorter training cycles, more precisely timed peaks, generally more progress.”
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