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hi i have a simple question. To burn fat and get cut is cardio really needed, or can i acheive my goal with lifting and dieting only??
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hi i have a simple question. To burn fat and get cut is cardio really needed, or can i acheive my goal with lifting and dieting only??
No cardio is not needed to lose bodyfat.

Fat gain or loss would have more to do with the glucagon to insulin relationship more than cardio.

Lifting weights is critical to keeping lean muscle while dieting.

Controlling insulin when dieting is your primary tool against fat.

I have lost 25 lbs myself in 14 weeks with over 6 inches on my waist.
I did zero cardio, although I lift 5 days a week.
So for every 4 lbs I lost 1 inch on my waist.
Now that seems like a good arguement for fat loss with no cardio eh?
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Fat gain or loss would have more to do with the glucagon to insulin relationship more than cardio


Can you please explain this some more, thanks
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Now that seems like a good arguement for fat loss with no cardio eh?
NO!

You dieted, you lost weight.

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“Necessary”? No. Getting cut is fat loss with muscle retention. For that formula these things are NECESSARY: 1. Calorie deficit–burn more calories than you eat. 2. Dietary protein. 3. Resistance training. Cardio makes #1 “easier.” Personally, I’m a huge believer in cardio to get cut. I think if you do it right you can burn fat while you do your cardio and really speed up the process. I also like being in great cardiovascular shape. But that’s just me.
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You dieted, you lost weight.

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Agreed with Ram. VERY few can get REALLY shredded with no cardio. There are some who compete and do no cardio. But honestly, if they are competing, they already have that genetic advantage. Do you?

Cardio does seem to make the process faster, and it's great for active recovery from the weight training sessions. It also gives you something to do rather than think about eating. Which is all you'll do when you get really low in the bf relhm.
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Not true guys.
I will repeat myself. Cardio is not needed for fat loss.
Will it work better?............Nah!

Fat gain is controlled by the production of insulin. Insulin is a storage hormone. Beings that carbs are either injested in large volume or of the high glycemic index, this will spike blood sugars which in turn spike insulin and beings that insulin is a storage hormone that meal can easily be stored as fat.

Oh and not only that but to make matters worse how about this. In the presence of insulin fat loss stops dead.

Or GH production is highest when insulin is lowest.

So saying that insulin has nothing to do with it is a foolish incorrect statement.

95% of all the calories burned is fat cals.
Fat is the most efficient source of fuel.
It will leave you with the most stable blood sugars.
It curbs appitite for up to 3 times as long.

Fat supresses insuilin.

Glucagon on the other hand is insulins's opposite, when insulin is low, glucagon is high, when glucagon is high fat burning is present.
Toss some insulin in the mix and POW fat loss stops dead.

Not only that but beings that insulin is driving down blood sugars and storing that meal as fat, the brain will call out for fuel as it never got fed due to insulins responce to the elevated blood sugars.
So the brain sends a signal of hunger and then you end up eating again only to find out that that meal got stored as fat.

Insulin if high is not good, it can give you insulin resistance where your vary likely to have higher amounts of insulin to do the same job as lower amounts of insulin.
When this happens it actually makes matters worse.

If that all wasnt bad enough, insulin resistance can cause belly fat, aromatase enzme resides in belly fat. The more aromatase enzyme the more conversion of our precious testosterone to estradiol (E2 estrogen), the lower the test levels become, the lower test levels, the more insulin resistant, the more insulin resistant the fatter we get.

So I will ask you this.
If stuffing your face got you fat, what makes you think you will lose it with cardio?
If most of your calories are burned as fat why have such a high supply of carbohydrates?

You have a limited storage capacity of glycogen, any more than that (most people do) it wont store as glycogen but as a triglyceride in the form of fat.

By reducing the carbohydrates, upping the fats, keeping the protein high enough to support lean muscle mass, you are better off.

When I said diet I never said calorie restriction.
Calorie restriction is not a good idea. There are many studies that support calorie restrictions and muscle loss.
There are also many studies that support high fat diets and fat loss.
Calorie restrictions actually will slow down the production of T3, and also slow metabolism.
This makes dieting even worse.
What about when you start eating again when your metabolism is slowed due to calorie restrictions?......You get fat or even worse fatter.

So, if you design your diet (way of eating), you can lose bodyfat, support lean muscle mass with less loss, feel better with less food cravings, have more even blood sugar levels just by the way you eat.

Again if you dont control insulin to unlock fat burning you will never win the war on fat loss.

How do I know this?
I am doing it right now.
I have more information on this subject than anyone of you will ever know.
Go ahead and challenge me.
Or try it for yourself and lose up to 2-3 lbs a week with zero cardio and not feel hungry or weak.

Cardio?....................NO!
Diet?..................Absolutly "IF" you know what you are doing.

The last thing you need to lose is lean muscle mass, if you are smart you will lose very little, if you are not you will lose much more.

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Not true guys.
I will repeat myself. Cardio is not needed for fat loss.
Will it work better?............Nah!

Fat gain is controlled by the production of insulin. Insulin is a storage hormone. Beings that carbs are either injested in large volume or of the high glycemic index, this will spike blood sugars which in turn spike insulin and beings that insulin is a storage hormone that meal can easily be stored as fat.
Bro, totally incorrect!

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The problem is trying to look at anything in isolation. For example, someone training a high volume, short rest weight training with diet probably doesn't need cardio. Especially if they are male. Someone doing pure strength training, low reps/long rest is arguably more likely to need some.

A female with a lower caloric requirement or even a smaller male probably needs cardio to create a suitable deficit.

Some people, from a hunger issue, run into problems by cutting calories. As well, caloric intake reaches a point where further reductions are not realistic in the long term. Leaving cardio/training as the only option for increasing the deficit. This arguably becomes more of an issue near the end of the diet when metabolic rate is really crashing. Some folks like to wait to bring in cardio until simple weight training + caloric restriction ceases working.

And there is good old genetic diversity. My old training partner clearly had low sympathetic tone (his blood pressure was very low) and a relatively low metabolic rate for his size. He had to cut calories to 800 AND do a high volume of training to get lean. But he didn't like cardio, felt it caused him muscle loss.

But even that was based on having done a high volume of running in conjunction with a monster caloric deficit.

I tend to run a low metabolic rate on top of a low daily activity so when I was dieting hard, I had to lift, cut calories fairly hard (8 cal/lb) and do cardio regularly.

So, basically, it just depends.
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