Training Forum: This is a discussion on People exaggerating BB Row poundages within the Bodybuilding forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Originally Posted by Grizzly
Because you're supposed to have your torso parallel to the floor. On top of that, with ...
Because you're supposed to have your torso parallel to the floor. On top of that, with a bend in the knees, the distance is lessened even more.
Grizz,
Your "sitting in a chair" analogy makes perfect sense! I understand it now.
And in your last post you said "you're supposed to have your torso parallel to the floor"....
That is my whole point here! I'm sure you do rows like this, so do I. But there are too many bros on here claiming 315, 365, 405 pound rows for 10+ REPS that I think it has to be damn near impossible to keep the torso parallel to the ground (aka 90 degrees). I am only doing 225 for 6-8 reps on a good day, and even then I'm struggling to keep my torso parallel to the ground.
I still say most of the people throwing that weight around are doing the 70 degree method, hehe. unless there are alot of people on this board who have mastered the technique that grizzly is telling us about.
No, it's probably the Yates row method that they use. I used to use it myself and would row 365 for many reps and I could have done more, but I refuse to use straps. Now that I've gone to this method I usually use around 245 or so. If I was able to be in the gym more, I might be lifting more, but that's what I'm using now. It was a big adjustment, but something tells me that a man who has spent his life scientifically understanding muscle growth and performance has a bit more credence than a dude who would grow by jerking off.
No, it's probably the Yates row method that they use. I used to use it myself and would row 365 for many reps and I could have done more, but I refuse to use straps. Now that I've gone to this method I usually use around 245 or so. If I was able to be in the gym more, I might be lifting more, but that's what I'm using now. It was a big adjustment, but something tells me that a man who has spent his life scientifically understanding muscle growth and performance has a bit more credence than a dude who would grow by jerking off.
I'm doing the yates row right now myself but I've been wanting to hear more about this method for a while now and try it out. Going to cash in yates and try this one for a while, that's one hell of a description you gave us, thanks! how long have you been training only 4 times a month? or maybe you were exaggerating but either way i get the point. are you going to be able to get back in there the way you want to be soon or is it going to be a while? try not to let the tough times and the poundages mess with your head too much
I've been on the reduced load for about 4 months now. It's not that I don't "get itno the gym", it's just that the gym I get into is for fighting and not for muscles. So, I train MMA Monday thru Saturday morning and then I lift on Saturday and sometimes Sunday.
if you drop the bar all the way down to the ground each rep, (yes, i have heard of this).. but unless you have guerilla arms then how do you do that? for m ehtat would require alot of motion from my lower back to return the bar to the ground.
I have switched to doing full JS rows recently and love 'em! JS rules! I probably get more hip extension than I should, but its not the easiest movement to master so I figure its all part of the learning curve. IMO, my back is quickly becoming one of my best parts simply because of the JS row.
As far as technique goes, I think I remember JS saying that in the contracted position, your back should be arched and parallel to the ground (or even a little close to the ground), but not upright.
From what I have seen in numerous gyms, one reason why some people are able to claim high rowing poundages is because they arent doing a bent-over row. Instead, they are doing a combination row/shrug because of their nearly vertical stance.
I have switched to doing full JS rows recently and love 'em! JS rules! I probably get more hip extension than I should, but its not the easiest movement to master so I figure its all part of the learning curve. IMO, my back is quickly becoming one of my best parts simply because of the JS row.
As far as technique goes, I think I remember JS saying that in the contracted position, your back should be arched and parallel to the ground (or even a little close to the ground), but not upright.
From what I have seen in numerous gyms, one reason why some people are able to claim high rowing poundages is because they arent doing a bent-over row. Instead, they are doing a combination row/shrug because of their nearly vertical stance.
my back is unfortunately one of my weaker parts aside from my traps, so i'm always looking for ways to improve it. i know what you're tlaknig about with that row/shrug combination, my training partner 2 years ago always did that, using somewhere between 350 and 400lbs.
I have switched to doing full JS rows recently and love 'em! JS rules! I probably get more hip extension than I should, but its not the easiest movement to master so I figure its all part of the learning curve. IMO, my back is quickly becoming one of my best parts simply because of the JS row.
As far as technique goes, I think I remember JS saying that in the contracted position, your back should be arched and parallel to the ground (or even a little close to the ground), but not upright.
From what I have seen in numerous gyms, one reason why some people are able to claim high rowing poundages is because they arent doing a bent-over row. Instead, they are doing a combination row/shrug because of their nearly vertical stance.
BS,
Your post puts me at ease. I was right...it is indeed guys cheating on form and not even doing a traditional bent over row who are claiming over 300 pounds in that lift. If you are seeing much back growth by doing it the right way, then that's the BEST way.
BS, are you actually touching the bar on the ground, readjusting, then repulling? Or are you just touching and going? Also, do you use wraps for this exercise?
Well, I ain't Bob, but when I do them, it's touch and go. Not so much that the recoil from the floor mats figures into the movement, but I don't leave it setting there for any prolonged period.
Also, I don't use wraps. I think wraps cause far more problems than anything. If you want a weak grip and poor form on a lot of exercises, then, by all means, go right ahead and use them.
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