shoulder problems, check workout

[xsosinglesogoodx]

i got a friend with bad shoulders, i thought i had bad shoulders till i started working out with him, mines nothing compared to his, on shoulder days should he just go real light or use like more compound moves, its more in his left shoulder, his right shoulder seems to be fine so far, any time after a should day his shoulders kill him, he says its not soreness its pain. told him to get checked out but even afterwards is there any kind of shoulder workouts that arent so harsh on them, thanks

on my chest im really laggin in upper chest development, i do alot more incline workouts now then flat bench, is there anything else to get them growing better

chest workout week 1
incline bench 3/6 last set 1/25
db press flat bench 3/6 1/25
db incline press 3/6 1/25
incline fly 3/6 1/25
cable flys 3/10

next week
flat bench 3/12
incline bench 3/12
db press flat bench 3/12
incline db press 3/12
cables 3/12

should i just be looking to only do rep ranges of 8-10 instead of switchin back and forth every other week, thanks sorry its so long

[xsosinglesogoodx]

come on someone got to know something

[jasthace]

It's pretty hard to remedy an injury while working out the problem area,it generally takes a lay off period,then rehabilitation workouts.
Shoulders are a particularly difficult area,as they come into use with a lot of different exercises.
Forget shoulder presses.
Shrugs and some side lateral raises at an angle of his choice{leaning forward} should still be manageable.

[xsosinglesogoodx]

yea told him to just go to doctor get it checked out, told him to lay off the juice till hes 100%, doubt he will listen, i think more now just get him to train shoulders differently and take it alot lighter.

[Thickneck]

My shoulders used to hurt alot , I started taking gluccsomine and they are good to go now.

[xsosinglesogoodx]

started takin it yest. just told my friend to take them also

[dennis]

Alot of shoulder problems are due to too wide of a grip on bench day and trying to bench too much too often.As an older lifter now I use more narrow grip and do not try to lift heavy as hell on bench day anymore..other than maybe a max lift 2 x per year.

[xsosinglesogoodx]

i have shoulder problems also but not bad at all, yea i usually use a more narrow grip on bench, my friend on other hand i dont really notice that he goes real wide ill let him know, thanks

[dennis]

Something I have noticed with all young men in the gym( I work with many) they all measure themselves by their benches.It is ridiculous but part of human nature.How much you can bench dont really mean shit ! It is how you do it that matters.Guys will go real wide with their grip to lift 20 lbs more and all they do is prematurley wear out their shoulders.

[Antanas]

Get the shoulder issue fixed first. Get it scanned and checked out by a professional. Looking at the selection of exercises that could make any shoulder choke up- as mentioned above fixing the issue and training for those goals can be difficult. There is some good reading material by Eric Cressey, Bill Hartman and Robertson etc..

But looking at your routine there is a hell of allot of horizontal pushing. Hows your pull to push ratio? Are you balancing them out? Doing that is just going to make the pecs tighter and add to the problem. Not only that how is your over all mobility and flexibility? Do you get soft tissue work done- if not go see a good physio?

As mentioned before are you one of those people who live by the bench?
How much scapular stability work do you do?

There is so many things to mention which is way out of the scope of one post.
Ive been trying to fix my shoulder its getting better but i wanted to get it it fixed by a professional. Id recommend the same and trust me finding a good physio is much trickier than it sounds.

You can try really attacking all over body mobility and flexibility- attacking the upper back and scapular/ lower trap function, fixing your core strength, learning how to perform a productive warm up to relieve your problems and fixing your posture. Then learning how to lift and going on a 5x5 type of program, thats what i've done and my shoulder isn't hurting too bad but i don't bench- don't need it because of the type of sport i participate in.

As for nutritional help glucosamine and allot of high potency fish oil could help down the line.

Hope my 2 cents helps

[Zaven]

Originally Posted by xsosinglesogoodx

i got a friend with bad shoulders, i thought i had bad shoulders till i started working out with him, mines nothing compared to his, on shoulder days should he just go real light or use like more compound moves, its more in his left shoulder, his right shoulder seems to be fine so far, any time after a should day his shoulders kill him, he says its not soreness its pain. told him to get checked out but even afterwards is there any kind of shoulder workouts that arent so harsh on them, thanks

on my chest im really laggin in upper chest development, i do alot more incline workouts now then flat bench, is there anything else to get them growing better

chest workout week 1
incline bench 3/6 last set 1/25
db press flat bench 3/6 1/25
db incline press 3/6 1/25
incline fly 3/6 1/25
cable flys 3/10

next week
flat bench 3/12
incline bench 3/12
db press flat bench 3/12
incline db press 3/12
cables 3/12

should i just be looking to only do rep ranges of 8-10 instead of switchin back and forth every other week, thanks sorry its so long

First off.....Sentences are welcomed here.....

Sounds like your friend has a rotator injury. He needs to use some sense and stop doing exercises that cause any pain/discomfort too it. Sounds like it may already be too late depending on how long it has been hurting.

As for you....You might want to simplify your chest workout. For me I stopped doing any incline, barbell, and cable exercises completely. I don't like using barbells for anything other than squats and deads. IMO I think keeping your arms in fixed positions for benching just isn't good for the joints, etc....at least it wasn't in my case. I like to let my arms fall naturally when lowering. I only do dumbell flats and dumbell flys....thats it. My chest now grows like a weed..... It took two years to find a method that works for me. You just have to find out what works best for you...