Training for bulk while "on"

[Grim]

I'm looking for some feedback on what you guys think is the best training plan for mass gain while on cycle. Should there even be a difference in the type of training during AAS use at all??
Everywhere I look I get conflicting advice. I just want a straight forward routine that is nice and simple!
Also, my problem is a chronic lower back injury so squats and deadlifts are a problem. Any advice on how to get the most from my workout would be a great help.
G

[Snowblind]

Originally Posted by Grim

I'm looking for some feedback on what you guys think is the best training plan for mass gain while on cycle. Should there even be a difference in the type of training during AAS use at all??
Everywhere I look I get conflicting advice. I just want a straight forward routine that is nice and simple!
Also, my problem is a chronic lower back injury so squats and deadlifts are a problem. Any advice on how to get the most from my workout would be a great help.
G

You will continue to get conflicting advise. Some people like high volume training, and some prefer low volume.

I, myself, prefer low volume with compound movements and 1 all out work set......raising the weights each time you go to the gym for any given exercise.

In response to your chronic lower back injury........how bad is it really? I mean, can you do squats or deads at all? The reason why I ask this is because for deadlifts......maybe try rack deads in a power cage and set the "safety" bars at knee height. That may take some of the stress off of your lower back because you're not starting the movement from the floor.

For squats, I know when my form in the past was not so good, meaning I would not go down all the way ass to the grass style. By not going all the way down and trying to stop my movement about half way down, my lower back would become affected. Now, I use less weight, and go "ass to the grass" and my lower back does not become a factor......I know this may sound corny, but you need to try it to see what I'm talking about.

Hope this helped.

[EMO KILLER]

Originally Posted by Grim

I'm looking for some feedback on what you guys think is the best training plan for mass gain while on cycle. Should there even be a difference in the type of training during AAS use at all??
Everywhere I look I get conflicting advice. I just want a straight forward routine that is nice and simple!
Also, my problem is a chronic lower back injury so squats and deadlifts are a problem. Any advice on how to get the most from my workout would be a great help.
G

Most people think that new is better. What's the newest exercise? Negatives or forced reps, core training? Blah Blah Blah. I belive in the oldschool more weight = more size. Use only free weights (some exceptions), go heavy, and keep each exercise to 4 sets (12-6 reps). Hey I've only been "on" and back in the gym for a year and a half and went from weighing 180 to 265 lbs and have been very succesfull with 2 other buddies (hardgainers) in getting their weight up using this theory. As for your back...I love dead lifts yet lately the back has been acting up. Alot of bent over rows, pull downs, pull ups will get you wide. Hacksquats to replace regular squats. Try doing hperextensions very slow with no weight to strengthen the back until you feel you can hit the compound stuff again. When you take advice look at the person giving it...listen to the monster in the gym not the crackhead.Hope this helps.

[Chip Bronson]

you WILL get conflicting advice in this area simply because people are different, they react to external stimuli differently, etc. but if we look at what happens when one takes aas perhaps we can make a better educated guess as to what volume is ideal 'on' vs. 'off'.

what do aas do? they increase protein synthesis and decrease catabolism. in addition, they block cortisol (this is another anti-catabolic action) by competing with it for the same receptors. given that your muscle will grow faster and your cortisol will be controlled it makes sense that your body will be able to handle a 'bit' more training and/or intensity in your workouts. what this 'bit' represents is up to the individual. for some it may mean a 5% increase, for others a 20% increase, etc. you need to find out what volume gives you the best results. this is where trial and error comes into play. hope this helps.

[patsfan]

Training for bulk while on has always had more to do with calories for me than my routine...you need 4000-5000 cals a day to really take advantage of aas. Now as you gain weight, you will get stronger,at least I do.

Ive always tryed to lift as heavy as I can(and still do) but that has dissatvantages ( injury and wear on tendons). I can only comfortably bench 305 but have the ability to do alot more which can be frustrating while on tren but the goal is to stay in the gym so I do. Everything else is balls out.

Try doing all compound movements 2x a week for awhile if your body can take it.

[treeistheman2]

Originally Posted by patsfan

Training for bulk while on has always had more to do with calories for me than my routine...you need 4000-5000 cals a day to really take advantage of aas. Now as you gain weight, you will get stronger,at least I do.

Ive always tryed to lift as heavy as I can(and still do) but that has dissatvantages ( injury and wear on tendons). I can only comfortably bench 305 but have the ability to do alot more which can be frustrating while on tren but the goal is to stay in the gym so I do. Everything else is balls out.

Try doing all compound movements 2x a week for awhile if your body can take it.

he hit the head on the nail . you got to eat!!!! you can juice and lift heavy all you want,without eating you will only gain so much. sometimes people in the gym i go to ,cant understand it all doesnt have to be a big secret to get bigger. i tell them , eat a lot . i tell them that because most of them dont even eat !!! train heavy, with good form. 6-8 sets for the small body parts- 8-12 sets for the large body- parts, reps- 6-10. and structure your routine around the big 3, squat, bench, deadlifts. if you have a injury, work around the movements that hurt the area, because if you dont you will injure that area so much that you will have to take time off from the gym altogether. AAS- I REALLY think each person should try to make as much gains without useing. then after a while add the gear in. such as a cycle of 400-500mg of test a week with maybe 300-400mg of deca, or eq.

[DrCypionate]

training like a powerlifter works nicely for me