Training on Juice ...

[MrBman]

hey guys, im pretty new to the forum - i was looking for an introductory page couldnt find it -
anyways im 21 now - 195 - 5 foot 11 ... 13/14 percent body fat (keeps going up and down within that range) - the question i have is when you train on juice your recovery time obviously increases - so how does that change how i should train?

currently im sticking with the one muscle group a day workout routine .... 5days a week ... (arms are the only group of muscle i do together) ... training usually last 60mins ... 1mins rest inbetween sets ...

now i have used prop and winny to cut ... before ... it was a pretty light cycle - but for cutting i was training each muscle group twice a week ... training shoulders, triceps and chest together ... back and biceps together with calves ... and legs independantly - then repeating that routine .... i was doing 300mg of prop per week ... and 100mg of winnny (injectable) - like i said it was light but it got the job done ... (my first cycle by the way)

on this cycle im running dbol at 40mg for the first three weeks ... 1000mg of test enath. per week and 600mg of deca per week ... should i stick to the one muscle group day program ...and keep following it the way i train now - if not how should i change it?


any help would be greatly appreciated - thanks

bman

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Originally Posted by MrBman

hey guys, im pretty new to the forum - i was looking for an introductory page couldnt find it -
anyways im 21 now - 195 - 5 foot 11 ... 13/14 percent body fat (keeps going up and down within that range) - the question i have is when you train on juice your recovery time obviously increases - so how does that change how i should train?

currently im sticking with the one muscle group a day workout routine .... 5days a week ... (arms are the only group of muscle i do together) ... training usually last 60mins ... 1mins rest inbetween sets ...

now i have used prop and winny to cut ... before ... it was a pretty light cycle - but for cutting i was training each muscle group twice a week ... training shoulders, triceps and chest together ... back and biceps together with calves ... and legs independantly - then repeating that routine .... i was doing 300mg of prop per week ... and 100mg of winnny (injectable) - like i said it was light but it got the job done ... (my first cycle by the way)

on this cycle im running dbol at 40mg for the first three weeks ... 1000mg of test enath. per week and 600mg of deca per week ... should i stick to the one muscle group day program ...and keep following it the way i train now - if not how should i change it?


any help would be greatly appreciated - thanks

bman

With me my recovery didn't get that much better but the results sure did. I would train harder and heavier and eat well. But keep the same amount of days off as you always have.
So the intensity increases but frequency does not increase. If I was to change it at all I would go with:
Jay Cutler ] 2007 Off Season Workout Strategy,
Day 1 Delts, traps & upper back
Day 2 Quads, Hams
Day 3 Off
Day 4 Back & biceps
Day 5 Chest, triceps & calves
Day 6 Off
Day 7 Repeat Day 1

Dorian Yates ]
DAY 1 -- Chest and Biceps,
DAY 2 -- Back and Traps,
DAY 3 -- Off,
DAY 4 -- Delts and Triceps,
DAY 5 -- Quads, Hams, and Calves,
Day 6 -- Off,
Day 7 -- Repeat Day 1

I like them both.

[MrBman]

awesome, thanks for the fast reply - both of those look good to me - im starting my cycle monday, so ill definately integrate one of them into my regimen ... for some reason i like dorian yates's routine a bit better ... its gives the tri's a day to themselves ... ive been focusing so much on the biceps that there bigger than my tri's ... definately need to work on them ...


ive never really liked working out biceps after back and triceps after chest ... unless im cutting - correct me if my ideology on this is wrong .. but i always figured that if you use this routine ... the triceps and biceps cannot get the best training they possible could - because there tired from being used while training the bigger muscle groups

[rjx]

You don't need to do more sets, you need to up the intensity - pre fatigue, partials, descending, forced, negatives, etc. BE CAREFUL, you can still over-train on gear and the more intensity you train with, the closer you will get to over-training. Two sets of everything with the proper intensity will be more than enough.

I think tri's after pek and bi's after back are great. I used to love working my arms all at once, then I started doing pek/tri's (Saturdays) and back/bi's (Sundays) and after about two weeks, I loved it!!

I don't understand when people say their tri's or bi's are to tiered from working out chest or back if they are working out properly. Even over-all energy shouldn't be depleted to much. Its also ok to take a little break in between pek/tri and back/bi workouts. I will do pek, then abs, then tri's. And on back day I will do back, forearms, and bi's.

Abs are only 3 supersets and forearms are only 2-4 sets. Sometimes I don't do forearms for fear of over-training. I love doing forearms before biceps cause I my forearms are all pumped and then during my bi workout my forearms continue to bake!

Anyways, doing pek and back before tri's and bi's should warm them up a little, not wear them out since they are not being directly hit by the bigger muscle groups. From my experience talking to people that say they are to beat to do pek/tri or back/bi together is usually because their volume is to high to begin with which would make you even more tiered. 2 sets of every exercise is all that it should take. Get in and get out with the least amount of sets possibal and with the right amount of intensity needed, usually positive failure is enough. Dorian Yates is a great example of what I am talking about.

My current routine
PEK/ABS/TRI (SATURDAY)
2 sets bar press (flat / incline)
2 sets dumb press (incline / flat)
2 sets hammer decline or weighted dips

3 SUPERSETS
leg raises
decline crunches

2 sets skull crushers
2 sets weighted dips or ez press close grip or reverse bar presses

UPPER BACK/FOREARMS/BICEPS (SUNDAY)
2-3 sets palms facing me weighted pullups or palms facing me pulldowns
I do 4 sets of rows divided by two different exercises
2 sets rows (bar, dumb, chest supported tbar, standing tbars, hammer low row)
2 sets rows (bar, dumb, chest supported tbar, standing tbars, hammer low row)

1-2 sets regular bar wrist curl (high reps)
1-2 sets reverse bar wrist curl (high reps)

2 sets bar curl or dumb curl ... sometimes ez bar curl
1 set lat pulldown curl
2 sets hammer bar curl or reverse ez bar curl