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Old 02-02-2007, 04:54 AM
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Default Workout Schedule Questions that I’ve had for *years*…please help!

Hey guys, I’ve been reading these forums for a few months now and have learned an enormous amount. But, there are still a few pressing questions that I’ve literally been wondering about for years. My apologies if someone has already addressed this in a previous post—I hadn’t found anything in my readings / searches thusfar.

Workout schedule / split

Typically, I do a 4/5-day cycle, with two upper-body days and one lower-body day. For upper body, I’ve been pretty much doing a “push / pull” workout split:

Day 1: Upper-body “push” exercises, basically working out chest / tris
-bench (either bar or dumbbells)
-incline bench (either bar or dumbbells)
-triceps exercises

Day 2: Upper body “pull” exercises, basically working out back / bis
-pull-ups
-variety of row exercises (lateral pull-down, one-arm dumbbell rows)
-biceps exercises

Day 3: Legs

Day 4: Rest

Day 5 (optional): Rest, depending how sore my muscles still are

My questions are:

1) Should I have a day in-between between my upper-body “push” and “pull” days? I do the “push/pull” split in order, obviously, to avoid training the same muscle groups, under the assumption that the “push” muscles are different from the “pull” muscles. But I wonder if this is an appropriate assumption? For instance, after I do intense bench workouts, my upper back is often sore as well. In that case, wouldn’t working out my back the next day (Day 2: “Pull” day) be counter-productive, since I’m working out the same muscle group two days in a row?

2) How would you work shoulders exercises into this kind of split? I feel like I use my shoulders a lot in both the push AND the pull exercises.

a. For instance, if I did shoulder press on Day 1, wouldn’t I also be using the same shoulder muscles when I do pull-ups on Day 2? Or would this not be the case, because the “push” exercises work the anterior deltoids, while the “pull” exercises use the posterior deltoids?

b. What about exercises working the medial deltoids, like lateral raises? I wonder especially about this because so many medial deltoid exercises also heavily involve the anterior or posterior deltoids. For instance, lateral raises while learning forward involves medial + posterior. Lifting the dumbbells out laterally, and then bringing them forward, involves both the medial + anterior, etc.

Any advice would be MUCH appreciated! I’ve read a lot of books, read these forums, etc., but for some reason I’ve never run across these questions, and they’ve been on my mind for a long time…hopefully someone here can give me some insight!

Andrew
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Old 02-02-2007, 09:13 AM
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I won't volunteer my answers just yet, as I'd like to know a couple things...How long have you been training? What degree of advancement are you? Depending on your goal, you can define that in terms of muscle mass or 1RM's as a multiplier of your bodyweight for the BIG exercises.
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I won't volunteer my answers just yet, as I'd like to know a couple things...How long have you been training? What degree of advancement are you? Depending on your goal, you can define that in terms of muscle mass or 1RM's as a multiplier of your bodyweight for the BIG exercises.
Sure...here's some background info:

I'm 23yo male. I've been recreationally lifting weights since I was 15 (although when I look back to my workouts from the ages of 15-18 it's sad how "unscientific" they were...).

I'm 5'10", weigh 155lbs. I don't know what my 1RM is, but my bench routine consists of 6-8 reps of 205, 205, 215lbs. Dumbbell press 6-8 reps of 70, 80, 85lbs dumbbells. Lat pull-down 6-8 reps of 160, 170, 180...

Bodyfat is ~11%

My weights have dropped in the past few years (used to bench 6-8 reps of 245, when I was 18), but I think that's attributed more to less time to workout than to a worse workout regimen (my workouts and nutrition were *terrible* back then...I think I've progressed a long way in being able to get decent results with "less work").

Thanks!
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