Clen

[jamesdal7]

OK, my gf has been working out, cardio/weights, and I helped her with her meals. I have her eating every 3 hours, small meals, low carb with high protein. I eliminated sugar from her diet and have her drinking a lot of water. She's been doing good, it's been 6 weeks now and has noticed a big difference.

Just like all of us, she wants to get to her goals as fast as possible. She wants to burn fat faster. She tried DNP but it was too hard for her. I told her about clen but that i have not used it and would not even know a female should use it either.

Soooooooooo, my question is for the ladies, how should she use clen? Maybe sweattart would know..... Anyhelp please?????

[jorge]

there is some discussion that DNP could have permanently damaged your GF's reproductive eggs. I hope she does not plan on having any more children. If you already new this, I apologize for the post.

[robbie]

Originally Posted by jorge

there is some discussion that DNP could have permanently damaged your GF's reproductive eggs. I hope she does not plan on having any more children. If you already new this, I apologize for the post.

Very true, there is a big question mark as for a woman to use DNP.
Clen on the other hand is definately good to go.

There few different approaches to using Clen:

1. Clen/ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) roatations with one week Clen, one week ECA.

2. Clen/ECA two weeks Clen, two weeks ECA

3. Clen/ECA two days Clen, 2 days ECA

4. Dave Palumbo way: Clen 2 tabs a day and increase by 1 tab every 2 weeks untill no more than 6 tabs used

In my opinion it is also good to add Tiratricol (Triacana) which helps speed up the metabolism.
Some of the braver women also add T3 (Cytomel) which together with Clen will burn crazy amount of fat, but at what cost???

[jamesdal7]

Thanks Robbie,

I have T3, but no Tiratricol (Triacana). How much do you recommend for her to take of the T3?

[penny31]

Get her on some clen+T3. T3 will be the same on her as it would be on you and as far as clen is concerned it has been reported that it is even relatively safe for pregnant women not to mention those who aren't. Women hate the sides though--trembling, tachycardia and nasty headaches.--Penny

PS if you want the reports on clen and pregnancy I will find them.

[robbie]

It pretty much depends how much she has to lose.
As for T3 being "same" as for men, well in a way it is, but it's a risky drug for BOTH men and women and should be used in extreme cases (eg. contest prep or really with seriously overweight individuals) and with maximum caution. I would advice to have tyroid checked before using it. The risk altough maybe not as extreme as it usually presened, however the risk is there and T3 should be taken with caution. I dont think that women should go as high as men do and in my opinion not higher than 50mcg.
The common way of taking it is:
Day 1-4: 1/2 a tab
Day 5-8: 1 tab
Day 9-12: 1.5 tabs
Day 13-16: 2 tabs (can stay few days longer here)
Day 17--20: 1.5 tab
Day 21-24: 1tab
Day 25-28: 1/2 tab

There are of course different approaches to this too, but from my personal experience I haven't seen anyone screw up following the above mentioned routine. But that does NOT mean it's 100% safe way of taking it. Safer...YES, but not safe.
Good Luck.

[penny31]

Robbie--

You make some good points but when discussing anything that falls under the heading "Performance Enhancing Drugs" what does "use caution" supposed to mean? Either you are using enough of a certain substance to obtain the desire affect or you are not.

I agree with you that one should have their thyroid looked at but there is no empirical evidence stating that liothyronine sodium will permanently down regulate the thyroid. Quite to the contrary, much of what is coming out now says that T3 will offset the thyroid for only a short time (i.e. a few weeks at the most) and that is after extended peiods of time (2 years or more).

Also, the old gurus who began telling people to cycle up and back down off of T3 were mistaken as well. Yet again there is zero evidence that tapering down or out right coming off at the end has any difference.--Penny

[robbie]

Originally Posted by penny31

Robbie--

You make some good points but when discussing anything that falls under the heading "Performance Enhancing Drugs" what does "use caution" supposed to mean? Either you are using enough of a certain substance to obtain the desire affect or you are not.

I agree with you that one should have their thyroid looked at but there is no empirical evidence stating that liothyronine sodium will permanently down regulate the thyroid. Quite to the contrary, much of what is coming out now says that T3 will offset the thyroid for only a short time (i.e. a few weeks at the most) and that is after extended peiods of time (2 years or more).

Also, the old gurus who began telling people to cycle up and back down off of T3 were mistaken as well. Yet again there is zero evidence that tapering down or out right coming off at the end has any difference.--Penny

You know funny enough I agree with you. The dangers of Cytomel are vastly exaggerated, however thyroid is NOT something to mess with. While Clenbuterol is relatively safe drug (except poor rats who had enlarged hearts and some even died as a result of clenbuterol), T3 is still something to be careful with.
Another legit point you bring is tapering T3 has not really been "proven" as a safe or neccessary way of taking T3, however I'd still advise doing it (better safe than sorry). There is a case of one VERY famous Fitness competitor who recently was forced to retire as a result of f...d up thyroid. Altough nobody knows whether or not it's a result of T3 use, there were speculations that it is exactly that. Chad Nicholls for example DOES NOT recommed women to use T3 and as he claims has seen numerous women with messed up thyroid as a result of T3 use. Dave Palumbo on the other hand swears by safety of T3 for women (with tapering). I am with you on the safety issues, but it's not a drug I'd f..k with and would definately take ALL precautions to avoid possible sides.

[penny31]

Point taken. I haven't yet introduced myself to you Robbie. I've been around for a few years and haven't seen your name. You know your stuff. Thank you for the discussion and your points are valid and well taken.-Penny

[robbie]

Originally Posted by penny31

Point taken. I haven't yet introduced myself to you Robbie. I've been around for a few years and haven't seen your name. You know your stuff. Thank you for the discussion and your points are valid and well taken.-Penny

Thank you Penny and it was a pleasure talking to you.

[jamesdal7]

Guys, Thanks a lot, I will keep everyone informed on her progress....

[that]

Hey bro, if your bored and want some more help drop me and email. I can hook you up with some good info.
Thank you!

[Phreezer]

I originaly wrote this for men..but you can titrate the dosage down for women


How to administer Clenbuterol:

by Phreezer

Drugs, like Albuterol, clenbuterol..etc (beta agonists) are designed to stimulate the beta 2 receptors in your lungs.. (that's how the help fight asthma) however, they will also stimulate the beta 1 recepters in your heart.. That is why beta agonists raise your rhr.. Why it's necessary to be careful while using clen (and clen's long half life and it's effect on heart rate are part of the reason it was actually banned by the FDA). The increased heart rate helps raise your metabolism, which inturn helps you lose weight. Not rocket science. There have been many rumors for years that clen is anti-catabolic, yet I've never once seen any definitive evidence that proves this. Basicaly, Clen is just mild Speed. That's how it works.

To begin a cycle of clenbuterol, I do 12 days on and 12 days off. Some people do a full two weeks on and two weeks off, but I feel that after about 12 days the receptors are done, and taking more clen is pointless. It takes about 12-14 days after your last dose for them to recover enough to start administering clen again.

I use an ephedrine caffeine stack during the time I am not on clen. You can take them together if you really want to, ephedrine targets differant receptors than clenbuterol, but I don't like to do this because my heartrate is allready high enough from the clen.

Here's the stack.

Day 1 - 40mcg
Day 2 - 60mcg
Day 3 - 60mcg
Day 4 - 80mcg
Day 5 - 80mcg
Day 6/12 - 100mcg (from here out its up to you) From here you can go up another 20mcg ed untill you get the shakes, once this happens drop the dosage by 20mcg and BANG thats your tolerance level for clen.

Day 13 start taking an ECA stack (whatever dosage you are comfortable with)

Once the 12-14 days are over, you start back taking the clenbuterol for another 12 days, you cycle up a little differant this time....

Day 1 - 40mcg
Day 2 - 60mcg
Day 3 - 80mcg
Day 4 - 100mcg
Day 5 - (again from here out its up to you)

I very rarely go over 120mcg ED but some people are less sensative. I monitor my pulse. If I take my entire dose in the morning, I check my heartrate about an hour and a half later, and make sure I don't have the shakes. My resting heartrate is around 75 bpm, so If Two hours after taking my dose my resting heartrate is around 105-110 bpm, I don't need to take anymore.

WRT Liquid, It's pretty much the same as the tabs, you just need to know what the microgram per ML ratio is, and administer it the same. Clen survives the digestive tract very well, so there isn't a real differance between injectable, liquid, or tabs.

[NEU]

Phreez,
thanks for the post
i know this is the women's forum, but it was an interesting conversation
i am on jacksauces clen right now and going over .75ml (75mcg) makes me very uncomfortable and shaky.
I don't know if his stuff is overdosed or if it is something your body just has to get used to at first.

[penny31]

Phreezer,

I'm taking clen with ketotifen and it seems to be working beyond the 2 week standard. What are your thoughts?--Penny

[that]

nice post pheez


As he said although it is a chart for men, some women depending on lbs, tolance and past can easily take the same amount.
Its just a base chart. Each should adjust as needed, but, gives a nice out look as what to do.

[Phreezer]

I've never once seen any study that proves ketotifen keeps recepters from down regulating.. .IMO it's nothing more than BB hype..

Take care,

Phreezer

[gymrat1977]

Since this sample cycle is for men, what would be a good amount for a women? Would 75% of each of those doses be adequate or to low? Also this might be a stupid question but I recieved my order from Ag-guys. What is the best way to measure the doses from the bottle? At 200mcg/ml, obviously one would be taking a small portion of the eye dropper. I've seen other sites say to use an insulin syringe to measure it out (not to inject it).

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by Phreezer

I've never once seen any study that proves ketotifen keeps recepters from down regulating.. .IMO it's nothing more than BB hype..

Take care,

Phreezer

I'm guessing you've never done a search for a study then... there are literally dozens of studies showing that ketotifen is effective at preventing tachyphylaxis of (tolerance to) beta agonists. Not to be a punk, but you if you're not sure, you should just say so. You make it sound like you've looked and haven't found any studies and so it's hype in your opinion. Anyone who looks will find studies in a few seconds on pubmed.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by Phreezer

I originaly wrote this for men..but you can titrate the dosage down for women


How to administer Clenbuterol:

by Phreezer

Drugs, like Albuterol, clenbuterol..etc (beta agonists) are designed to stimulate the beta 2 receptors in your lungs.. (that's how the help fight asthma) however, they will also stimulate the beta 1 recepters in your heart.. That is why beta agonists raise your rhr.. Why it's necessary to be careful while using clen (and clen's long half life and it's effect on heart rate are part of the reason it was actually banned by the FDA). The increased heart rate helps raise your metabolism, which inturn helps you lose weight. Not rocket science. There have been many rumors for years that clen is anti-catabolic, yet I've never once seen any definitive evidence that proves this. Basicaly, Clen is just mild Speed. That's how it works.

To begin a cycle of clenbuterol, I do 12 days on and 12 days off. Some people do a full two weeks on and two weeks off, but I feel that after about 12 days the receptors are done, and taking more clen is pointless. It takes about 12-14 days after your last dose for them to recover enough to start administering clen again.

I use an ephedrine caffeine stack during the time I am not on clen. You can take them together if you really want to, ephedrine targets differant receptors than clenbuterol, but I don't like to do this because my heartrate is allready high enough from the clen.

Here's the stack.

Day 1 - 40mcg
Day 2 - 60mcg
Day 3 - 60mcg
Day 4 - 80mcg
Day 5 - 80mcg
Day 6/12 - 100mcg (from here out its up to you) From here you can go up another 20mcg ed untill you get the shakes, once this happens drop the dosage by 20mcg and BANG thats your tolerance level for clen.

Day 13 start taking an ECA stack (whatever dosage you are comfortable with)

Once the 12-14 days are over, you start back taking the clenbuterol for another 12 days, you cycle up a little differant this time....

Day 1 - 40mcg
Day 2 - 60mcg
Day 3 - 80mcg
Day 4 - 100mcg
Day 5 - (again from here out its up to you)

I very rarely go over 120mcg ED but some people are less sensative. I monitor my pulse. If I take my entire dose in the morning, I check my heartrate about an hour and a half later, and make sure I don't have the shakes. My resting heartrate is around 75 bpm, so If Two hours after taking my dose my resting heartrate is around 105-110 bpm, I don't need to take anymore.

WRT Liquid, It's pretty much the same as the tabs, you just need to know what the microgram per ML ratio is, and administer it the same. Clen survives the digestive tract very well, so there isn't a real differance between injectable, liquid, or tabs.

This shouldn't be posted. It's full of misinformation and misunderstanding about the basics of how clenbuterol works. For example, clenbuterol is sought after *because* it's a selective beta-2 agonist and *because* it will have *minimal* affect on beta-1s, heart rate, blood pressure, etc. Sheesh. Taking EC between cycles is also a bad idea if your goal is to upregulate your receptors. The doses are unnecessarily high, etc. Not good advice here.